Stick vs.Automatic
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From: Houston, Tx Got traction?
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08
Originally Posted by 2000BSME
I didn't make any specific consistency claim other than being moreso than my stick driving buddies.
By the way, that triple
is hilarious.
The consistency of the runs that I make is limited by my cooling systems ability to keep the engine temperature steady state, not my automatic transmissions shifting performance.
By the way, that triple
is hilarious.The consistency of the runs that I make is limited by my cooling systems ability to keep the engine temperature steady state, not my automatic transmissions shifting performance.
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
So you're trying to tell me. Racing a FASTER 6 speed with your SLOWER automatic, you'll still win 80 to 90% of the time? Have you installed stickers or neons or something? This sounds like an argument i've heard from a 4cyl honda.
(trying to figure out what you are talking about)Let me clarify for the record. Several stick driving buddies (5), a few aquaintances with stick transmissioned cars, and yours truly with an auto, and me winning 80-90% of the contests against all of them.
No stickers yet... but a big grin every time I smoke a more powerful car due to poor manual shifting performance.
Does that clear it up? Do I need to fax you some timeslips?
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
so your automatic transmission fluid gets hot..and isn't as consistent. However at the sametime you imply that 6 speeds are even less consistent?
Last edited by 2000BSME; Sep 15, 2006 at 03:59 PM.
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From: Greer SC
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Originally Posted by Bill Baird
As often as I've seen this argument break out here on Corvette Forum, I can't say that it's ever come up at any of the autocross events that I've been to over the years. It's just not an issue. Some people run automatics, others run manuals. Many times the automatics win, many times the manuals win.
Never have I heard anyone at the track making negative comments about which transmission. It's only on here... on the Forum!
Every time I get involved with these debates, it always goes the same way. Some MN6 guys always think they are superior. So, I have had enough... I am going to get the car ready for Road Atlanta tomorrow. When I am at the track coming down the back straight-away at 170+ MPH headed in to a 90 left turn...I will have to remind myself...I shouldn't be here, I have an A4.
And all those guys I know who have the MN6 (and are afraid to race their cars) are actually the better drivers. 
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08
Originally Posted by 2000BSME
(trying to figure out what you are talking about)Let me clarify for the record. Several stick driving buddies (5), a few aquaintances with stick transmissioned cars, and yours truly with an auto, and me winning 80-90% of the contests against all of them.
No stickers yet... but a big grin every time I smoke a more powerful car due to poor manual shifting performance.
Does that clear it up? Do I need to fax you some timeslips?
1999 Pewter Convertible A4 Corvette
z06 Springs/Shocks/Sway Bars
Transmission Cooler/160* tstat
Long Tube Headers/x-pipe/Corsa Indy Exhaust
Predator Tuned/Window Valet/CLB
Hawk Blue track/HPS rear/ceramic street pads
Hoosier R6’s for track days/6pt. harnesses
Vararam and velocity stack
Ceramic coated SS Backbone/4pt. custom built rollbar
8.24@87.19 1/8 1.89x 60'
z06 Springs/Shocks/Sway Bars
Transmission Cooler/160* tstat
Long Tube Headers/x-pipe/Corsa Indy Exhaust
Predator Tuned/Window Valet/CLB
Hawk Blue track/HPS rear/ceramic street pads
Hoosier R6’s for track days/6pt. harnesses
Vararam and velocity stack
Ceramic coated SS Backbone/4pt. custom built rollbar
8.24@87.19 1/8 1.89x 60'
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
Do you not understand the meaning of STOCK?! You're a moron, this is a discussion over stock vehicles. And yet you can do this or that. or whatever, doesn't apply YOU'RE NOT STOCK.
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
I'm a moron? You should spend more time thinking and less time being a
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
Do you not understand the meaning of STOCK?! You're a moron, this is a discussion over stock vehicles. And yet you can do this or that. or whatever, doesn't apply YOU'RE NOT STOCK.
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
Do you not understand the meaning of STOCK?! You're a moron, this is a discussion over stock vehicles. And yet you can do this or that. or whatever, doesn't apply YOU'RE NOT STOCK.
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
Not to mention how many STOCK C5 M6's are you talking about in your 5 friends? But i would hope your Long Tube headers would make you faster than a STOCK m6
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From: Houston, Tx Got traction?
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08
Originally Posted by 2000BSME
What? You think all of my mods (very limited in terms of horsepower addition) happened magically overnight? I bought my vette stock, and it has taken me more than two years to make it what it is now, and I have been racing it since I bought it, along with racing my buddies who have had stock setups at one time or another.
I'm a moron? You should spend more time thinking and less time being a
I'm a moron? You should spend more time thinking and less time being a
No, i don't think your mods happened over night, which is why i find it rather rediculous you're making all these claims when they have nothing to do with the discussion.
The facts speak for themselves. These cars have been tested time and time again. Stock for stock the manual edges out the automatic.
You don't see an * saying 20% of the time or anything like that. The results speak for themselves.
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08
Originally Posted by 2000BSME
How did I know that you would be born in the mid eighties before I checked your profile.
It really bothers me when people such as yourself are spewing false information all over the internet.
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
How does my age have anything to do with this?
It really bothers me when people such as yourself are spewing false information all over the internet.
It really bothers me when people such as yourself are spewing false information all over the internet.
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Originally Posted by Stangkiller
Why would you call somethign a draw that's been proven time and time again. Stock for stock the 6 speed is faster than the A4. Why? Several reasons, all having to do with the way they came from the factory, which is the definition of stock.
I've spent my 2cents...i'm done with this thread.
I've spent my 2cents...i'm done with this thread.
So I guess the M6 's have the advantage because the are only crappy A4 drivers and only very good to expert M6 drivers. Though it's hard to tell looking at them in my rearview
Now I'm going to start another thread
"Which is faster red or blue cars?" Stock paint No stripes or custom paint allowed.
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Originally Posted by itchynackers
How fast does and A4 shift? I can shift in 0.25 seconds. I thought that was pretty quick. I'd say the MN6 will walk the A4 definitively.
And to some others, stock is stock and races against stock. If it`s not stock it will be placed into a modified class to race with other modifieds. Thats why there are so many classes trying to level out the playing field. I can tell not many here are real racers. The tracK or real world is completely different than bench racing. Simply stated, standard trans cars just cant cut it in competition. And I personally as a National Champion drag racer became one by knowing what to do and how to win. And it wasn`t with a standard trans.
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Originally Posted by Vette_Fan
I'm the last guy to join into this Mn6 vs A4 war... I just got the 3.42 in my A4, got my shift points adjusted. So, anyone who's still debating on this issue, plz bring out your stock Mn6 against mine, and let's find out.................... this offer is open to all................ (Stock Mn6 vs Stock A4) 
(Stock Mn6 vs Stock A4) 
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From: Indianapolis IN
Originally Posted by 2000FRCZ19
... if the auto is so great why did gm put a stick in the z06 and frc? ...
Weight perhaps, though I suspect that it was more a marketing decision rather than a judgement on which is the superior tool to use for various driving duties.
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Originally Posted by Bill Baird
Weight perhaps, though I suspect that it was more a marketing decision rather than a judgement on which is the superior tool to use for various driving duties.
Lord Jesus in Heaven above. You have a Vette?
You sure it ain't a Volvo?
Several reasons, um, Sir William.
Now put some fresh tobacco in the pipe, straighten out the smoking jacket, get comfy, and here we go.
More performance.
Durability.
It can take the horsepower.
Less weight.
Less heat
It's a Sports Car.
It's what normal people expect in a performance car of those capabilities.....
and here's the big one, COMMON SENSE!
Oh forget it, your right, put an automatic in it.
You know, someone asked me how I could stand going to Corvette shows.
They asked if the smell of BenGay, all the grey hair and AARP literature didn't kill the buzz.
I'm finally seeing it.
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From: Jax Florida
Originally Posted by Arnie Guitar
Well, it seems the answer is obvious.
Anyone who owns a stick thinks the stick will win,
and the girls who own auto's think the auto will win.
j/k
Anyone who owns a stick thinks the stick will win,
and the girls who own auto's think the auto will win.
j/k