Nice name calling

 

Some of you've got a few A4'ers that are getting a bit condesending as well in this thread. Especially when they can't believe the Gm facts of .25 of a second

 

Why would you call somethign a draw that's been proven time and time again. Stock for stock the 6 speed is faster than the A4. Why? Several reasons, all having to do with the way they came from the factory, which is the definition of stock.

I've spent my 2cents...i'm done with this thread.

 

if the shoe fits....

 

I don't think anyone doesn't believe the "GM" facts, as you put it, but "on the street" or the local track, the autos more often than not have it, stock for stock.

Even a good stick driver (anyone who drives a stick thinks they are good) won't prevail but 2-3 times out of 10 against an equally powered automatically transmissioned vette.

Now for your favorite part of posting:

later.

 

I have to ask...who drag races with a 6 speed and varies .25 of a second every run? I never went to the track and had that wide of a range of runs. They were usually within a 10th of the first run of the night?? In your fantasy world, those are some pretty bad 6 speed drivers.

But again this wasn't asked about the drivers it was asked about the cars. And time and time again, the 6 speed is faster, stock for stock, without a doubt.

 

This thread is ****ing stupid... That's my $0.02

Sully... you beat other cars around the track because you have a ****ing 427 in the car, good suspension, and stickey tires. Take your same car and put an MN6 in it and you'll be able to lap faster, keep temps lower, and properly use the brakes and downshifting when entering turns. Hand your keys to Michael Schumacher (sp?) then have him drive your same car in manual mode and he'll beat the other lap times, there's no argument to that.

2000cockgobbler... bring your *** to VIR www.synergyracing.com Nobody races w/ an auto... nobody. There are plenty of inherent advantages to road racing with a manual trans.

As for drag racing... MN6 wins all day long until you're dealing with very fast cars. I've run 12.15@ 116.78 in my 371 rwhp z06 on street tires.

I've never understood why anyone would buy an automatic Corvette.

 

I like this guy.

 

Sorry it's in my blood My mother drive's a '99 mn6 vert and my Dad just got an '04 Z16 Z06, no autos for anyone.

Whenever I go visit it makes for a pretty cool looking garage w/ all 3.

 

Have you been to the drag track before? I'm not talking about bracket racing, where EVERYONE uses an auto, I'm talking about test and tune sessions, where friends can meet friends out after work and race their cars against each other. 0.25 second variation? I get that much with the operating temperature fluctuations in my AUTOMATIC. The manual trans guys are ALL OVER the place. My 2004 Cobra buddy couldn't ever get two runs in a row that were within a half second of each other. Another buddy with his 6 speed M3 was anywhere from 8.5/8th to 9.1seconds.

I would smoke every manual 80-90% of the time. Get real.

 

Your automatic varies a quarter of a second every run? Sounds like you're not as consistent as you claim to be. Yes i'm talking Test and Tune. It's not hard to row the gears and get a consistent launch. Just because you can't do it in your automatic doesn't mean it can't be done in a 6speed.

I remember when i was first trying to dip into the 12's. I went 3 weeks in a row with 3 or 4 runs each week. Every single run was either a 13.0 or a 13.1. I finally brought some ice to the track and dipped into a 12.8. That's before i started to really mod my car.

So you're trying to tell me. Racing a FASTER 6 speed with your SLOWER automatic, you'll still win 80 to 90% of the time? Have you installed stickers or neons or something? This sounds like an argument i've heard from a 4cyl honda.

 

Amen, Cobra4B

 

Back to the original post again, stock for stock, I think the 342 gear and the torque advantage the MN6 has, the MN6 wins the 1/4 mile

However Sully and Stangkiller bring up interesting points about a 342 gear in the A4, then I think you are talking a very close race

I got an MN6 cuz I like rowing gears, and I liked the 342 gear over the stock 273 that the A4 comes with (remember the 315 is optional on the A4 not standard)

There are plenty of times that I wished I had an A4 also...my good buddy johnnyvettes just had 390's and a 2800 stall put in his A4 and I am dying to go for a ride and see how that feels

A4's are too, just swap the rearend

 

perfect place for you to be then...
Of course there are inherent advantages in road racing with a manual. There are inherent advantages in convenience/driveability with an automatic. So what is your point? There is no reason for you to be a d!ckh#@ed about it.

I'll make it to VIR someday, maybe with my auto vette, or maybe with a stick vette.

I've, as in, I have, key words there supergenious. What you have done and what you typically will do are two different things.

 

whoaa, Brian chill j/k I tend to agree with you on that

 

I didn't make any specific consistency claim other than being moreso than my stick driving buddies.

By the way, that triple is hilarious.

The consistency of the runs that I make is limited by my cooling systems ability to keep the engine temperature steady state, not my automatic transmissions shifting performance.

 

What difference does it make which one wins???

 

You get your head back and done right?

Automatics are only good for cruising to work And even then it's not like a stock C5 w/ the rowboat shifter and hydraulic clutch are hard to drive.

Let me repeat... my 54 year old MOTHER drives a mn6 C5 pretty much everday.

 

When I first started running the 427, everything else was stock. I could not turn in lap times as good as less HP cars, so the "****ing 427" is not the end all.

The only direct comparison I have is against a heavily modified SCCA prepped Z06. In the back straight-away I passed a Porsche Turbo and was behind this Z06 by ~10 car-lengths. By the time we hit the back straight-away again, I was on his tail. We ran dead even on the straight, so our power/weight ratio was very smilar. Since we both ran the same Nitto tires and his suspension (at that time) was slightly stiffer than mine, the A4 did not inhibit my ability to run the twisties as good and at times better than his MN12. (BTW I do shift & down-shift the A4, plus the PCM is programmed for racing.)

When I talk about beating other cars, I am not talking about just passing them in the straights, but my ability to out-handle a Ferrari or a Porsche in the twisties. And I am not the only guy on the track running Nittos or Hoosiers or running a modified suspension.

Regarding your example, (I quote from another site) "Ferrari's Michael Schumacher is the world's best and fastest racing driver." I would most definitely think he could run faster with a manual. But like so many others, I am NOT Michael Schumacher.

Because some of us are not so arrogant that we think we are Michael Schumacher. BTW that Z06 I mentioned was 'black-flagged' later because he blew a shift, lost control, and slid off the track.

 

As often as I've seen this argument break out here on Corvette Forum, I can't say that it's ever come up at any of the autocross events that I've been to over the years. It's just not an issue. Some people run automatics, others run manuals. Many times the automatics win, many times the manuals win.

Personally, I favor an automatic equipped car. While I would like the two extra gears in the manuals, I feel no need to give myself the extra work involved in using a manual. For those times when the automatic chooses a different gear than I want, then I can manually over ride it if I so choose. To me, having a manual transmission would very much be like having to manually set my timing advance or my fuel mixture - it might be entertaining at times, but today's in-car computers will probably choose a more appropriate setting 9 times out of 10. From my point of view, if the car's computer can keep the engine in the appropriate rpm range most of the time, then I can be more involved in actually driving the car, rather than having to worry about the rpm at which the engine is running.

I do disagree with the point that drivers of automatic cars are not involved with driving their cars. I can assure you, that once I start one of my runs, I am every bit as involved with driving my car as a driver in a manual car, and I will only let up once I cross the finish line.