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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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My Garmin GPSmap 60C color handheld, records your position, time and speed in a log that you can review on a laptop for later dismissal of a bogus ticket........if you really werent speeding.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:38 PM
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[QUOTE=RickSw] I am a professional and so was my passenger, we both verified the HUD 83 and we both measured the timed 4 mile course.
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That LEO should have recognized you and your passenger were professionals
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
I agree! but like I said I'm willing to fess up to the 83 but have a real problem with validating the incorrect 88.

Again may I ask, is there any viable defence?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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You're asking the wrong person about your defense. If you feel the citation is unjust, prepare...prepare...prepare, and take your best defense to court. You do not need a lawyer, just plenty of case preparation and presentation.
FYI: If you go to court, you forfeit your option of going to traffic survival school.
The court is obligated to listen to both sides of the issue. It will all depend on who has best prepared their case. It's not a murder case, it's a traffic citation, so the state must only prove a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
I always get a kick out of people who take their citation case to an internet car site. Nothing that anyone tells you here is relevant or admissible in your specific incident. You got some sympathy and you got some "advice". If you go to court only to argue that you were going 83mph instead of 88mph, chances are the court will amend the citation...you won your war, not the battle.
In the end, only you will answer for your actions.

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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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What does LEO stand for?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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What does LEO stand for?
Law Enforcement Officer
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 09:52 PM
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DUH! Excuse me but I should've known that, I suffer with dumba$$ spells every now and then. Thanks, Marshall
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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Should have asked him if you could make another pass by his radar, I buddy of mine had the same problem (M3 Beemer), LEO said OK, same results. They checked the size of the tires and the OEM size on the door frame, no match, no ticket.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin02
Pleeeease! Give me a break!

When I worked as a traffic officer, I wrote over 300 citation a month. I couldn't have cared less if you were driving a Vette or a Mini Cooper. A speeder is a speeder any way you paint it.
When I was a patrol officer, I frequently wrote Corvettes, Cadillacs, Bentleys, Porsches, etc., in fits of jealous envy. I didn't care if there was a Ford Escort speeding next to it, the "big buck"cars always got the ticket.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Pay the ticket. You already admitted to speeding and the judge is probably a forum member haaaaaaa.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailohio
Get a lawyer. Don't plead guilty to this LEO's wetdream of busting a Vette.
WOW, haha...that is funny...
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
You're asking the wrong person about your defense. If you feel the citation is unjust, prepare...prepare...prepare, and take your best defense to court. You do not need a lawyer, just plenty of case preparation and presentation.
FYI: If you go to court, you forfeit your option of going to traffic survival school.
The court is obligated to listen to both sides of the issue. It will all depend on who has best prepared their case. It's not a murder case, it's a traffic citation, so the state must only prove a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
I always get a kick out of people who take their citation case to an internet car site. Nothing that anyone tells you here is relevant or admissible in your specific incident. You got some sympathy and you got some "advice". If you go to court only to argue that you were going 83mph instead of 88mph, chances are the court will amend the citation...you won your war, not the battle.
In the end, only you will answer for your actions.
Based on extensive experience in a local suburban court near Detroit: Immediately get your speedo checked for calibration....including adjustments for your tire size. if your speedo reads under actual speed, you may use that as a defense. How is your driving record? If its clean, some officers wont want to saddle you with a violation that carries points. Meet with the officer at court before the hearing, show him the results of your speedo calibration (if it is in your favor) and see if you can come to an agreement without having a formal hearing/trial. If you know you were speeding, be honest and ask the officer for a break. If he offers to amend the charge to a nonmoving violation and just pay the fine, take it and call it a day.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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[QUOTE=C5naples]
Originally Posted by RickSw
I am a professional and so was my passenger, we both verified the HUD 83 and we both measured the timed 4 mile course.
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That LEO should have recognized you and your passenger were professionals
Your passenger must have been a professional, the only way she could see the hud is if she was in yer lap !!!!
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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Lmao!!
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sailohio
Get a lawyer. Don't plead guilty to this LEO's wetdream of busting a Vette.
Most cops...notice I'm saying most...are jerks. There are a few cool ones around...but most are way too impressed with themselves. A Vette doesn't "look" like it's going any faster than a truck going down the road.
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 12:21 AM
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I've driven that stretch quite a lot. Are you talking from Mountain Home to Boise? If not, its just pure coincidence that they have the spedometer check station just about 5 miles west of Mountain Home as well. Cops always seem to linger around there. This obviously helps you in no way, but in that stretch, I always keep it at 79. I've had a cop flash his light at me when I was doing 77 once.

I would just pay it, unless you think it is going to be a huge deal. I understand that it is the principal of the matter, not the money. I would guess that most judges don't feel too sorry for vette owners.

I hope you get it squared away.

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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ja03c5
Most cops...notice I'm saying most...are jerks. There are a few cool ones around...but most are way too impressed with themselves. A Vette doesn't "look" like it's going any faster than a truck going down the road.
kinda like Vette owners that are so egotistical that they think cops get wood citing them hun?

Just a word of advise, remember if you fight the ticket you have to prove your case. Comes down to you denying your guilt the cop will be the "professional".
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 03:23 AM
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guilty pay it.
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 04:11 AM
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fight it, chances are he wont show up anyways, ive gotten off 2 tickets that way. a sound violation and a bogus red light violation. i went to court in both cases ready to fight and just smiled when the cop did not show up.

hint, take note of the time of day that you were pulled over and schedule your court date, when u reschedule of course, for that time of day, chances are he'll be on duty and unable to attend or just to busy.

hint 2, reschedule the day before your arraignment, the longer it goes, the better. in my second case, the lady lost her information. i postponed it for over a year.

hint 3, at your arrainment, at least in CA, when you plead no guilty, the court takes you into a sideroom to discuss your decision and make a deal, in this scenario, ask the da to agree to your terms, which he most likely will (5mph). last time i took this scenario, the cop tried to say i ran a stop sign on a turn point blank, i told the da flat out i was going to fight that. i told him, i did not run the stop sign, i admit i made a sloppy stop (rolling stop) and i know this is breaking another law but i did not runn a stopsign (which is worse). they lowered the fine because they reduced the charge and i was on my way.

as far as your word vs the cops, your toast, the going to a shop to check your calibration might help especially when you introduce it as evidence. dont forget to cross examine the officer on when his latest calibration test was conducted, the age of the device, the amount of service it has had, the amount of times he used it, not actually pulled people over but used it. then acquire (this is costly) an expert witness that knows about the types of devices in use by the officer and to testify about the durability of the device. you would take this information and cross reference it with the device's use and determine its stamina. or instead of an expert, find out the type of device the officer used and contact the contracting company that makes them and get a written statement attesting to the devices limitations and reccomendation for use and durability.

good luck, let us know how it turns out,
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