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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Hello gentlemen, I'm new here and hope to gain some insight into what happened to me last weekend.

My 2004 Z06 curise control was set at 82 mph, HUD was reading 83 while driving on Idaho's interstate where the posted limit is 75. Foot completely off the gas pettle. This is a completely unmolested vette with no tire or drive train changes. Driven my truck numerous times at this speed and the LEO have left me alone.

Last Sunday, the state police officier broke hard while approaching in the opposite lane, whipped down through the median strip, and pulled me over. Said I was doing 88. Wrote me the ticket for 88 over my very courteous objections. Also gave me a warning for not having a front number plate.

On the way home I checked my odometer for 4 measured miles - and place on the interstate specifically set up to check speedometers.

So what went wrong? I'm certain my equipment was working correctly and from what I've read a vette gives accurate radar readings.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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fight the ticket, show up to court. Tell them your situation. Ask when was the last time his gun was checked. Radar guns do need to be tested for accuracy from time to time.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Dont even get me started cause there are too many nice cops on here. But there are always the hater cops who are jealous and think all vettes are speeding and Im sure he just wanted to make sure the extra 5 mph on the ticket were to make it "stick" in court. His equipment or speedo was probably off, but he is always right in the judges eye.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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you are in a very pro-LEO place, be careful
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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Go to court. Good luck
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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Welp, the first thing that went wrong is you were driving a Vette.

The error was prolly on his side of the equiptment equation, but he got ya, and ya was speeding, by your own admission!

See if you were driving the truck it would not look as if it was going as fast as the Vette so he prolly would not have paid notice to you, but with the Vette doing 80 and looking like it was doing 100, welp. you get the picture!

Oh yes and the front plate! Gotta have them, I don't but they will write you up for it if they stop you for another reason.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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What is the issue, you were still speeding, is the 88 MPH ticket more money/points then one at 83 MPH? If so go to court and plea for the lesser ticket. Good luck
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Get a lawyer. Don't plead guilty to this LEO's wetdream of busting a Vette.
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Originally Posted by LS6dude
fight the ticket, show up to court. Tell them your situation. Ask when was the last time his gun was checked. Radar guns do need to be tested for accuracy from time to time.
And if that doesn't work, ask to pay the fine without points! That is a valueable lesson I recently learned that could have worked in my favor!
Good Luck
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by StephenT
What is the issue, you were still speeding, is the 88 MPH ticket more money/points then one at 83 MPH? If so go to court and plea for the lesser ticket. Good luck

Ya, you were speeding, pay up and stop whinning....
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Isn't Idaho somewhat close to Montana? Talk about two extremes when it comes to speeding huh?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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Here we go again...................
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sailohio
Get a lawyer. Don't plead guilty to this LEO's wetdream of busting a Vette.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sailohio
Get a lawyer. Don't plead guilty to this LEO's wetdream of busting a Vette.
Pleeeease! Give me a break!

When I worked as a traffic officer, I wrote over 300 citation a month. I couldn't have cared less if you were driving a Vette or a Mini Cooper. A speeder is a speeder any way you paint it.

I can tell you up front, that your best bet is traffic school on the Internet. You can take one of the Internet courses in about 30 minutes, for as low as about $15.00, and the citation won't go on your driving record. It's a no brainer.

It sounds to me like the officer had moving radar. The radar antenna is faced forward and as the radar sending/receiving unit approaches a vehicle traveling in the opposite direction, the radar unit will internally read a combined closing speed of both vehicles. When the unit is set in the "moving mode", the radar's software subtracts the police vehicle's speed from the internal combined speed and your speed is the "resultant" which reads out on the radar's LED display. The officer calibrates his radar with a tuning fork at the start and end of each shift with the use of a pre-set tuning fork. The tuning fork is set to read 66 mph on the radar display when it's tapped on a hard surface and is held in front of the radar's antenna. If any other speed than 66 mph is displayed on the radar's LED, then the radar unit and the tuning fork both taken out of service until they are repaired or replaced. It's a system of checks and balances.

If you go to court and claim the 'cruise control defense", the first two things that the judge will ask, will be if you have stock size tires on your car, and if you have had your speedometer professionally calibrate recently. If the answer is "no" to either question, your chances of beating the ticket with that defense is very slim.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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The LEO's on here are indifferent to your driving a Vette!! They do too!!
But lets admit that some are jelous of people who do drive Vettes. Just my .02
(ducking out of the line of fire now)
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BiggieBoy
Ya, you were speeding, pay up and stop whinning....
I am more than willing to pay the ticket for speeding at 83 mph. I even explained this to the LEO. I am a professional and so was my passenger, we both verified the HUD 83 and we both measured the timed 4 mile course.

The LEO was wrong, I refuse to admit/agree to 88 mph. If they make me pay the 88 mph there will be a hell of a race the next time a lying (this is the second time for me) LEO attempts to pull me over. This is paramount to blackmail. It would have been very easy for me to beat him to the exit and enter into city traffic. I saw him slow down and immediately decreased my speed, I pulled over immediately once he put his lights on, and pull completely off the road. No one in I know has ever been pulled over for driving 83 on the Idaho interstate.

BTW, there was a car directly behind me that was closing on me. I explained this fact to the LEO but he stated he had "visual verification".
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RickSw
I am more than willing to pay the ticket for speeding at 83 mph. I even explained this to the LEO. I am a professional and so was my passenger, we both verified the HUD 83 and we both measured the timed 4 mile course.

The LEO was wrong, I refuse to admit/agree to 88 mph. If they make me pay the 88 mph there will be a hell of a race the next time a lying (this is the second time for me) LEO attempts to pull me over. This is paramount to blackmail. It would have been very easy for me to beat him to the exit and enter into city traffic. I saw him slow down and immediately decreased my speed, I pulled over immediately once he put his lights on, and pull completely off the road. No one in I know has ever been pulled over for driving 83 on the Idaho interstate.

BTW, there was a car directly behind me that was closing on me. I explained this fact to the LEO but he stated he had "visual verification".
The guy behind you goin faster probably had the bigger radar signature and that is the speed that the LEO got, but he put 2+2 together and got 5.
This is why when I go on any road trips, I have my gps on the whole trip. It also logs speed the whole time. Nice to have if needed in court.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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Before the usual BS stories/comments/suggestions start:

Speeding Ticket Urban Legends

The purpose of Speeding Ticket Central is to provide information that will assist you in making the best decision regarding your speeding ticket. However, we sometimes have a hard time convincing someone who has heard one of the following urban legends. In the past speeding ticket urban legends were fairly harmless since the effect of a single speeding ticket was not significant. However, times have changed and just one traffic ticket can mean financial disaster, especially if you are the parent of a teenage driver.

Hopefully this article will prevent you from showing up in court expecting your ticket to be dismissed based on one of these speeding ticket myths. I’m sure it will reduce the amount of hysterical laughter often heard from the bench when a defendant actually tries to use one as a defense.


Urban Legend #1

“The officer refused to show me the reading on the radar gun. There is no proof of my speed so I cannot be convicted.”

There is no law in any state that requires an officer to show you the reading on the radar or laser gun. Most jurisdictions discourage this as a matter of safety. If the officer does show you, it is a courtesy only. If the officer says you were speeding that is all the proof the judge needs to find you guilty. Most courts will accept a simple visual estimate by an officer without speed detection from any device.


Urban Legend #2

“The officer did not have me sign the ticket. If I do not show up for court the ticket will be dismissed.”

Some states have a line on the traffic citation where you acknowledge the summons and agree to appear for court. It doesn’t matter if you sign or not, you are still required to be in court on the date listed on the ticket. If this were true, nobody would sign and all speeding tickets would have to be dismissed. Not going to happen.


If you do not appear you will be found guilty, a fine will be added for failure to appear, and a warrant will be issued for your arrest. Quite possibly your driver’s license will also be suspended. Texas is the only exception. In Texas if you refuse to sign the ticket you will earn yourself a “Go Directly to Jail” card.


Urban Legend #3

“The officer made a mistake on the speeding ticket. All I have to do is to point it out to the judge and he will dismiss my ticket.”

The story we usually hear goes something like this: My car is pink, my hair color is purple and I am female. The officer wrote on the ticket that I am a brown haired male driving a blue car.

Judges give a lot of leeway for minor mistakes and will allow the officer to correct them. You have about as much chance as a grasshopper at a bird convention of getting a traffic court judge to dismiss you ticket based on the above scenario. As long as you name and driver’s license number are correct you are dinner.


Urban Legend #4

“I sent the traffic court more than I owed for my speeding ticket. When I receive the refund check I will not cash it. Since the transaction is not complete the ticket will never be entered on my record.”

I have saved the best for last. I am always amazed at the lengths an unbeliever will go to believe the unbelievable. This myth has been making the rounds of the message boards for several years. It is absolutely false and I am not going to argue with anyone again over this. If you have a passion for the beans and potato salad served at the county jail, go right ahead.


What really distresses me about a speeding ticket myth is that it may prevent someone from mounting a legitimate defense to a speeding ticket. With the drastic increases in insurance premiums often resulting from just one speeding conviction, a driver needs to know the consequences before entering the courtroom. There are legitimate strategies to reduce the effect of a traffic ticket. Belief in an urban legend is just not one of them.

If you know of another urban legend regarding speeding tickets please forward the story and we will add it to this article.


Go to sites:

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/c...4B6F4035C8BE0E

http://www.motorists.org/
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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So am I to understand that is doesn't matter what the facts are, the LEO position is the only one that matters?

This is exactly what happen when I received my 85 mph ticket in a stock 74 super beatle - didn't matter it was impossible for the car to go that fast unless dropped from a plane.

Is there any viable defense against a LEO error?
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