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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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I had some punk in a 4 door Honda Civic driving next to me chirp his tires at four lights in a row yesterday at the 5th light I pulled up next to him, caught his eyes and gave him the biggest you are boring the he!! out of me YAWN I could muster. He got pissed, ran the red light and speed off into the sunset.
OHHHHHHHH, I like!! I will have to remember that one.
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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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I'm in Los Angeles and the ones that **** me off the most is when I'm at the end of a group of traffic, say in the left lane. There is no one behind me for about 10-20 car lengths. I keep a bit of room in front of me so I can stop in time when needed. Well these idiots think that a if there is at least a half a car length of room in front of me (when there is 20 car lengths behind me) means they can get in front of me to cross over 2 lanes of traffic so they can get in a left side turning lane. Like it would have been any more time for them to get behind me where there was plenty of room to get into a turning lane where they just wind up sitting anyway.


The other day I was in traffic here and this punk in a Honda goes flying up the right hand lane. This is at 3:30pm and at 4pm the right lane turns into a rush hour lane but before that there is metered parking. Well people drive in that lane before 4 and when they see parked cars they get over into traffic and as soon as there is no more parked cars they move back over. It's not a real lane until 4 which pisses me off because they keep switching back and forth. Well this Honda goes flying by and there is a Toyota highlander in front of me. Well all of the sudden the highlander slams on the brakes and swerves into the left lane to avoid this Honda's move of switching from the parking lane back into traffic just feet before hitting a parked UPS truck which he could have seen a block back. Well the highlander didn't hit anyone in the left lane but I stopped about a couple inches too late. So my car tucks it's nose under the highlander. No real bang or crash but after the sudden stop and the cars nose comes up and the highlander moves a few inches I scrape up the top of my black front bumper with nice white marks for about a foot long right on top. Now I get out and talk to the highlander guy and he tells me it was the Honda that forced him over and to stop suddenly. Well the Honda is gone by now and what can we do? Technically I hit the highlander. But the guy was real cool looked at the back of his truck with not a mark on it. He commented nicely on my car and said he wouldn't want me to go through insurance to deal with it if I didn't want too because he knew rates would climb for me. So I get out of that situation now needing a new paint job on the front bumper only hopefully. I was leaving a good amount of room but I guess not enough. It was as they say "bumper to bumper traffic".

If I ever see the little 4 door pale blue 80's Honda again on that road doing the same thing he is going to have more trouble then the embarrassment of driving a crappy Honda.

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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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Try living in South Florida !!
I have been to Sarasota and there are way too many of those too ! !
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:46 AM
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It happens everywhere, even in Europe. Trust me, I see it almost everyday
I lived in Germany at the time, probably the land of the most courteous drivers ever. I've never driven in Spain, but if it's anything like Paris, FR or Italy I think I'd almost rather be driving through LA

In France, if you are caught passing on the right you will likely have your car impounded. Its a stiff fine in Germany too.

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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Flashing your high beams when behind someone is just asking for trouble, you are much better off just going around them.
May be universally accepted in Europe but in the USA most view it as aggressive driving, you can be ticked for it as well.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by VinnyT
That's why.
Thats the polite way to kindly remind the person they are in the left lane & are moving too slow, so move to the right please....I do it all the time & have had it done to me as well. I just move over....I dont act like a dumb *** & follow behind them looking for trouble.

Anyhow, if you are the unlucky moron doing that to me, you might meet a fate you didnt bargain for.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 02:24 AM
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Flashing your high beams when behind someone is just asking for trouble, you are much better off just going around them.
May be universally accepted in Europe but in the USA most view it as aggressive driving, you can be ticked for it as well.
You can go around them, except in the US it seems to be universally accepted that if someone tries to pass you should speed up to prevent them. Unfortunately, the majority of drivers in the US are just NOT good drivers. It is too easy to get a license in the states.

But yes, you can be cited for using your highbeams to flash/pass in the states (using highbeams from the rear of another within 300 feet for CVC anyway). However, that law is more for constant use of high beams. It's also illegal impede the flow of traffic, though...but that only applies if you are going slower than the speed limit while doing so.

However, if that person wants to travel 65 mph in the fast lane and there is no place to pass... you'll just have to be patient. I know most of us like to go faster, but nobody has the right to force someone else to.

Also, the rule to pass only on the left (CA for example, CVC 21650(a) is seldomly enforced, makes those driving the speed limit in the left lane a hazard for the majority who break the law. Drive down the 101 or 110 fwy in Los Angeles and see how well you do only going 65 mph.

Again, the whole argument is a moot point. The US is typically full of terrible drivers, and they have been doing so for decades. It wont change as our highway design is just not the same as the european design which supports right lane traveling and left lane passing.

I'd much rather someone flash their beams to pass me... rather than the current standard: A dangerously close tailgater.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 03:26 AM
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Unfortunately, Vettes are targets for all kinds attention, especially the unwanted kind (LEOs, kids, lookie-loos, shopping carts) just add bad drivers to the list
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DefenderC5
... probably the land of the most couteous drivers ever.
Cautious driver?... hey, thats me

You will find slow drivers on the fast lane over here, too. But flashing high beams work most of the time to clear...
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 05:42 AM
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The original offender was driving slowly in the left (passing) lane, but not passing. So, who is the most at fault here? 1) Him for driving slowly in the passing lane and holding up traffic. 2) The people who were forced to illegally (aggressively) pass on the right and then move back to the left to pass the other slow traffic driving correctly in the slow traffic lane. 3) Me for tapping my lights to courteously (aggressively) ask him to move over. I think if I were in something other than the Vette, we could have had a rough situation, with me trying to get away from him (my hyundai beater or wife's mini-van), and I think that's what this guy was hoping for. But his aggressive move when I went to pass him forced me to drive extremely fast just to get away from him. As my title suggests Another example...
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DefenderC5
You can go around them, except in the US it seems to be universally accepted that if someone tries to pass you should speed up to prevent them. Unfortunately, the majority of drivers in the US are just NOT good drivers. It is too easy to get a license in the states.

But yes, you can be cited for using your highbeams to flash/pass in the states (using highbeams from the rear of another within 300 feet for CVC anyway). However, that law is more for constant use of high beams. It's also illegal impede the flow of traffic, though...but that only applies if you are going slower than the speed limit while doing so.

However, if that person wants to travel 65 mph in the fast lane and there is no place to pass... you'll just have to be patient. I know most of us like to go faster, but nobody has the right to force someone else to.

Also, the rule to pass only on the left (CA for example, CVC 21650(a) is seldomly enforced, makes those driving the speed limit in the left lane a hazard for the majority who break the law. Drive down the 101 or 110 fwy in Los Angeles and see how well you do only going 65 mph.

Again, the whole argument is a moot point. The US is typically full of terrible drivers, and they have been doing so for decades. It wont change as our highway design is just not the same as the european design which supports right lane traveling and left lane passing.

I'd much rather someone flash their beams to pass me... rather than the current standard: A dangerously close tailgater.

I stay quite a ways behind anyone because I don't want anything spitting up onto my car from anyone's tires. I agree with everything you said. I also don't like Billy Bobs that hold up traffic and then want to race. I really don't understand that. It happens to me all of the time. I try to brush them off but I really hate that sh**. I don't want to race, I just want to drive and have a good time in my vette.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JDs00PewterCoupe
We've got our share of that type of person here too.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Well, maybe not the average Vette driver.

This large billboard along I-75 about 40 mi. north of Tampa wasn't allowed to be installed for very long. And it wasn't because it was sent over to Ripley's Believe It Or Not although it certainly qualified for that.



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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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Great photo shot. We could use more like that out on the road.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FOXMO
The original offender was driving slowly in the left (passing) lane, but not passing. So, who is the most at fault here? 1) Him for driving slowly in the passing lane and holding up traffic. 2) The people who were forced to illegally (aggressively) pass on the right and then move back to the left to pass the other slow traffic driving correctly in the slow traffic lane. 3) Me for tapping my lights to courteously (aggressively) ask him to move over. I think if I were in something other than the Vette, we could have had a rough situation, with me trying to get away from him (my hyundai beater or wife's mini-van), and I think that's what this guy was hoping for. But his aggressive move when I went to pass him forced me to drive extremely fast just to get away from him. As my title suggests Another example...
At fault legally? Depends on your defenition of "driving slowly". If driving slowly means doing the speed limit in the left lane, then the people passing on the right are "at fault". Technically, everyone should be doing the speed limit according to the law.

However, it is not a perfect world, and I agree that the majority of drivers exceed the speed limit. The driver blocking the left lane should be aware of what they are doing and move to the right to let faster traffic through.

One thing to consider though, have you thought that some people drive the speed limit in the left lane and hold up traffic on purpose? In their own mind they think they are doing the right thing, but I think it only makes things worse and can incite road rage incidents. I have met a few of these individuals.

In most cases, these people are completely unaware there is someone behind them at all. Many people drive in their own little world...cell phones don't help either.
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In France, if you are caught passing on the right you will likely have your car impounded. Its a stiff fine in Germany too.[/QUOTE]

Does this mean the car in the left lane dictates the speed of both lanes? This would mean an ignorant driver in the left lane that is driving below the speed limit could hold you below the speed limit also!
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In France, if you are caught passing on the right you will likely have your car impounded. Its a stiff fine in Germany too.
Does this mean the car in the left lane dictates the speed of both lanes? This would mean an ignorant driver in the left lane that is driving below the speed limit could hold you below the speed limit also!
Theoretically? Yes
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Originally Posted by FOXMO
...of idiots challenging Vettes.
Driving home from the Delaware beaches last night (one of my kids had to work today), cruising up Rt1 at about 60. There is a line of traffic being held up by Billy Bob Bubba in his high rise, mud splattered Dodge pick-up, doing about 55 or so, driving in the left lane. Right lane traffic is also going about that speed, so there is traffic backed up in both lanes. Other folks manage to move to the right, slowly pass on the right, and move back to the left lane to get past him. When I finally get right behind him, I tap my high beams a couple times and he finally moves over. As I go to pass him, he floors the truck as if to keep me from passing him! It wasn't hard to let him know who was boss there, and I moved over into the right lane a little further up the road. This guy moved back over to the left and decided to chase me up the highway. Speed limit is 65, and I'm doing probably 75. This idiot, who couldn't go anywhere near the limit a few miles back, all of a sudden thinks he's Speed Racer. I told my daughter that I've experienced this and other idiotic behavior frequently when in the Vette. I know just about everyone else here has, because I read these things all the time.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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In Louisiana The Local Baton Rouge Statute, R.s. 11:60 States That The Slower Vehicle Is To Use The Right Lane When Not Passing Another Vehicle, But You Can Use The Left Lane For A "reasonable Distance" Before Making A Left Turn. The Intent Of This Law Is To Get Vehicles To Use The Right Lane And Leave The Left Lane Open For Passing, Which If Used Properly Will Allow Traffic To Flow Better With Less Congestion. Some Drivers Think That If They Are Traveling The Speed Limit That They Can Drive In Either Lane, But The Statute Does Not Include A Speed Provision To Allow Driving In The Left Lane When Not Passing. Most States Have A Simular Statute That Coves This Issue.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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You think he would have gotten a clue when several people go around him on the right. A flash of the lights sets him off, how about the people that had to go around him till you got behind him, good job - HI BEAM EM'.

I think we should all be issued guns that shoot suction cup darts, with a flag attached signaling idiot. When the police come up on a vehical with 3 or more darts stuck to it, automatic one week time out from driving. The people court!!!!!
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