_Will_

Too many times 224 to 230ish cams get the jump because of their low-end torque. MS3 will perform awesome at the track or on freeway pulls, but light to light the 220-230ish cams are better in a 346cid.

You picked the right cam for what you do, and you also had an outstanding tuner. Believe it or not, very few can do what he does. There are only two other people in FL I would want to tune my car if it had that cam and was a DD. One of the two does all the difficult tuning jobs for some other popular and profitable shops in state.

_Will_

The G5X-3 is actually about as aggressive as the MS3, but seems a little easier to tune for civil DD driving, and also is stronger in the low-mid range than an MS3, sacrificing a bit up top.

PolishDude

i was thinking g5x-2 type of specs? would that be good? Im 24 so i dont care about a little shaking etc, but i need the car driveable... i want to keep my stock rear z06 gears

_Will_

The gears are fine for any cam.

G5X-2 would be very easy going for a street z06, and easier to tune.
We're all internet goons anyway, give LG a call and talk to them about what you want and see what they say.

0EG@EnglandGreen

So are you saying that you want me to install a Monster cam or Whiplash cam at the same time, Will?

5W0P3

GM2Bad has a x3 in his car, runs PHENOMENAL! (sounds good too ) And his driveability is close to stock.

I had a big cam in my stroker and my tune was a little off i think.

For my cam only 346, i'm going with a X2 or X3 from LG.

0euro@EFIAlchemy.com

Will im curious as to what your basing your statements on, have you ridden or driven any MS3/MS4 cars? Are you basing this on what youve read/had other people tell you?

yes the MS3/MS4 is a top end cam, yes ive had some side by sides with smaller cammed cars and no they dont get a jump on me, and once were rolling its all over..

I know your friends with Mr England Green, and from what ive read of his products hes a supporter of rediculously large cams , so i guess im confused by your statements?

The one thing i completely agree with is it all rests with the tuner, i am very fortunate to have Doc as my tuner, your right not many can do what he does. I really think all the bad press and statements like "224 cams are better power on the street" are directly linked to the fact that there are very few tuners who can actually get a big cam dialed in correctly, and theres about a thousand who say they can when reality is they cant.

0EG@EnglandGreen

Yes, I love outrageous cams. And yes, you are correct, most cannot tune them

Zee916

MS3 will not be a problem on the street in any way. Find a good tuner and let it rip.

Have you looked at the MS4? The lift is higher, but it makes better midrange than the MS3 and sounds just rediculous.

If you want in between, go with something like a Tourquer v2 or v3, which are still big cams.

PolishDude

MS4 is cool too, i thought the ms4 was even more aggressive then the ms3. With cams like these, how often do you have to check your valvetrain?

Cobra4B

I'm running a G5-X2 on a 114 LSA, the cam is 232/240 .595/.608. It's great... nice lope at idle and screams from 3000-7000.

I picked the right cam for me... something big, but not so big as to make the car a PITA to drive.

PolishDude

thats exactly what i want, big but not to the point where i hate driving my car to work everyday.

Cobra4B

^ If I was daily driving this car I'd swap out my stingers for some Tis... other than that it's fine to DD.

_Will_

This is what I'm basing it on. I don't know who's tuning the car. And I simply said 220-230 have better power down low, which is accurate. Of course the ms3 makes higher peak power and pulls harder once you wind it up. It would suck if he gets the ms3 and is miserable because it doesn't drive well. There are cams that are much easier to tune, and the sacrifice may only be making 450rwhp instead of 460rwhp.

Who's doing the tune makes all the difference with a cam like ms3. If he doesn't get it right, he's going to hate DDing the car. I have never driven an ms3 car, I have driven a car with a smaller cam (233/239) and I could not believe how bad it was. This was in SC, and obviously there wasn't anyone local worth trying to tune that cam, because whoever did stunk.


I am not against big cams. I eventually want to do the large Lingenfelter blower cam, 230/245. But I know for a fact the tune will be spot on when I get it. With someone else, I don't know who's touching the car or the owner's tolerances. Basically I would not suggest the ms3 in that situation because with the unknowns involved there is a high probability he could turn out unhappy, for just a few extra hp.

_Will_

Not yet. Maybe for x-mas, with a meth kit and smaller pulley. And some heads.

0euro@EFIAlchemy.com

See this is the part im having trouble with, like i said ive lined up with quite a few "small" cammed cars, now i do admit that my cam is made for top end power, but the sacrifice down low is none IMO. I have NEVER had a small cammed LS1 get out on me due to my powerband, it just doesnt happen.

No offense, but if you havent ridden in or driven a MS3/4 car, i dont think you can honestly say or comment on how they will perform. Would be like me saying i dont think your blower would be good for a DD, ive never driven or had a ride in your car, so how the heck would i know?

PolishDude

the guys at rev xtreme will be tuning the car on their dyno. I think first things first, i need to find out if the heads have been milled or not.

I want around 450rwhp if that is possible.

Cobra4B

If you're messing w/ the heads you can make 450 rwhp w/ a more streetable package.

My buddy Mike (illmac77) is running AFR205s at 59cc w/ the G5-X1E cam making 452 rwhp... nice lope and very close to stock drivability.

PolishDude

i dont think my heads flow anywhere close to afrs, so i think i would have to make it up with a more aggressive cam.

HeadHunter1

What does a heads and Cam do to gas mileage for a daily driver? I have been thinking about doing this to my GTO, but am concerned about mileage. I get 18-19 mpg mixed right now and burn 6 gallons / day. Will the heads and cam negatively impact the mileage alot?