Ticketed for "Improper Start"
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,430
Likes: 1
From: Somewherebetweenhereandthere
I agree with the masses... I think they will drop the ticket or at least make it a lesser offense. I had 5 tickets at one time in high school for an accident and other stupid things. I went to court and the attending court official, drop 4 of them!!! I didn't even ask him too. I explained what happened and he took my word!!!
As for what cops can do... I moved to Florida a couple years ago for school, I drove a BLACK camaro!! It was not fast but it did get alot of attention. I was told that if I took off from a light faster than the car next to me, I could be stopped for STREET RACING!!!!
http://www.ejdirga.com/racing.htm
NOT very
It may not result in a ticket or court appearance put they can stop you!!!
As for what cops can do... I moved to Florida a couple years ago for school, I drove a BLACK camaro!! It was not fast but it did get alot of attention. I was told that if I took off from a light faster than the car next to me, I could be stopped for STREET RACING!!!!
http://www.ejdirga.com/racing.htm
NOT very
It may not result in a ticket or court appearance put they can stop you!!!
Last edited by vettelover84; Oct 9, 2007 at 02:08 AM. Reason: more
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 66,409
Likes: 2,061
From: Bel Air (by way of Fort Worth, TX) Maryland
St. Jude Donor '12 thru '21
Okay, after reading all the post in the thread, I came to one conclusion. Everyone posting here must be under 20 years old (okay, 30), and you all should never give out legal advice.
The cop forgot to put his name on the citation. Whoopty doo. If you think that this will get you off Scott free, you're in for a short and costly court date. Just as you can change your plea, or plea to a lesser infraction, so can the courts alter a mistake on a ticket, especially something as trivial as a moving violation. A mistake on a ticket is not the same as having your civil or Miranda Rights violated, something that can get your charges thrown out of court.
If the cop put down that you were going warp factor 9, and you were only doing warp factor 4, they can change it in every court I've ever attended and continue on with the case. The only difference will be the cost of the fine. More speed equals more money you'll pay, but speeding is speeding, end of story (that goes for jack rabbit starts no matter if you hit 3000 or 6000rpm's). If the cop feels it was dangerous, then ticket in hand you will have.
Cops charge people with more serious crimes all the time and then the D.A. determines if he can get a conviction or not of those said charges. If not, they drop the ones that they feel won't fly and add any that they think will stick. This is common across the entire United States.
If you feel that a cop has your number in your city, why would you drive in a manner that would bring attention to yourself? A car with this much horsepower comes with some real responsibility and is why I'm glad I don't see 15 year olds on the road with them. There would be a lot less tress standing if there was.
As you've guessed, I'm either am a LEO or use to be one. I am the latter. However, since I left the force 18 years ago, I've been cited for speeding about 12 times. Only once did the ticket go on my record. The rest were traffic school or plead down to faulty equipment. The faulty equipment ones cost me $30 plus court cost ($129 were I live), and if I had to pay my attorney, that would have ran anywhere from $60-$90 bucks. The traffic school ones were so cheap I don't remember what they cost, but they were well worth the investment.
So as you see, I've been on both sides of the law when it comes to driving. I also do a lot work for a lot of attorneys so I always have one who owes me a favor or two. With that said, it doesn't cost much to hire an attorney to represent you in a traffic case like the one you have, and most of the time you don't even have to show up for court (I never did). If a hundred bucks seems like a lot to you, maybe you should think about a car with a lot less horsepower.
With all that said, pay an attorney to plea the case down to faulty equipment (if you can do that where you live) and pay the piper. It won't go on your record or cost you points if your state is similar to mine. Cops go to court all the time, you don't. You're going into their playground with your limited knowledge of the law, and the tables tilted in their favor. This is child's play for them and they will expose your weakness. You're going to have to pay someone, and if you go in there with your inexperience, you'll be paying three times what a lawyer would have cost.
I have fun in my car all the time and my bad cop driving habits rear their head every once in a blue moon. But I don't have any cops stalking me and I'm very cordial and respectful if I am pulled over. That gets me out of 50% of all the tickets I could have gotten. If you can't do this or have the hook ups that I have, drive like you've got some sense or pay the piper.
The choice is totally up to you.
And to Mr. Lau, yes you can get ticketed for driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if everyone else is speeding. Your impeding the flow of traffic is considered more dangerous than the speeders and that's exactly what they will site you for. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is especially on southern California freeways were the average speed is 70 MPH, although the posted speed is 55 MPH.
The cop forgot to put his name on the citation. Whoopty doo. If you think that this will get you off Scott free, you're in for a short and costly court date. Just as you can change your plea, or plea to a lesser infraction, so can the courts alter a mistake on a ticket, especially something as trivial as a moving violation. A mistake on a ticket is not the same as having your civil or Miranda Rights violated, something that can get your charges thrown out of court.
If the cop put down that you were going warp factor 9, and you were only doing warp factor 4, they can change it in every court I've ever attended and continue on with the case. The only difference will be the cost of the fine. More speed equals more money you'll pay, but speeding is speeding, end of story (that goes for jack rabbit starts no matter if you hit 3000 or 6000rpm's). If the cop feels it was dangerous, then ticket in hand you will have.
Cops charge people with more serious crimes all the time and then the D.A. determines if he can get a conviction or not of those said charges. If not, they drop the ones that they feel won't fly and add any that they think will stick. This is common across the entire United States.
If you feel that a cop has your number in your city, why would you drive in a manner that would bring attention to yourself? A car with this much horsepower comes with some real responsibility and is why I'm glad I don't see 15 year olds on the road with them. There would be a lot less tress standing if there was.
As you've guessed, I'm either am a LEO or use to be one. I am the latter. However, since I left the force 18 years ago, I've been cited for speeding about 12 times. Only once did the ticket go on my record. The rest were traffic school or plead down to faulty equipment. The faulty equipment ones cost me $30 plus court cost ($129 were I live), and if I had to pay my attorney, that would have ran anywhere from $60-$90 bucks. The traffic school ones were so cheap I don't remember what they cost, but they were well worth the investment.
So as you see, I've been on both sides of the law when it comes to driving. I also do a lot work for a lot of attorneys so I always have one who owes me a favor or two. With that said, it doesn't cost much to hire an attorney to represent you in a traffic case like the one you have, and most of the time you don't even have to show up for court (I never did). If a hundred bucks seems like a lot to you, maybe you should think about a car with a lot less horsepower.
With all that said, pay an attorney to plea the case down to faulty equipment (if you can do that where you live) and pay the piper. It won't go on your record or cost you points if your state is similar to mine. Cops go to court all the time, you don't. You're going into their playground with your limited knowledge of the law, and the tables tilted in their favor. This is child's play for them and they will expose your weakness. You're going to have to pay someone, and if you go in there with your inexperience, you'll be paying three times what a lawyer would have cost.
I have fun in my car all the time and my bad cop driving habits rear their head every once in a blue moon. But I don't have any cops stalking me and I'm very cordial and respectful if I am pulled over. That gets me out of 50% of all the tickets I could have gotten. If you can't do this or have the hook ups that I have, drive like you've got some sense or pay the piper.
The choice is totally up to you.
And to Mr. Lau, yes you can get ticketed for driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if everyone else is speeding. Your impeding the flow of traffic is considered more dangerous than the speeders and that's exactly what they will site you for. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is especially on southern California freeways were the average speed is 70 MPH, although the posted speed is 55 MPH.
with all of the above, but particularly the highlighted portions.I can't help but have the feeling that there is more to this story than we are getting.
Racer
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 494
Likes: 0
From: Dubai Mirdiff
Traffic police in Scotland can stop and fine you for almost anything. My wife was telling me about a smart **** she stopped. He ended up with on the spot fines for:
Tire Tread
Driving with Fog Lights
Over tint on windows
and my favourite, loose or movable battery.
He would have just been asked to turn off his fog lights, but he had to open his mouth.
I carried out an improper start in Dubai, was done for wreckless endangerment & street racing. Car was jailed for 60 days. Commit the same offence this year and the car will be crushed and myself deported.
I now drive slow
Tire Tread
Driving with Fog Lights
Over tint on windows
and my favourite, loose or movable battery.
He would have just been asked to turn off his fog lights, but he had to open his mouth.
I carried out an improper start in Dubai, was done for wreckless endangerment & street racing. Car was jailed for 60 days. Commit the same offence this year and the car will be crushed and myself deported.
I now drive slow
Safety Car
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,333
Likes: 6
From: Louisville Kentucky
Traffic police in Scotland can stop and fine you for almost anything. My wife was telling me about a smart **** she stopped. He ended up with on the spot fines for:
Tire Tread
Driving with Fog Lights
Over tint on windows
and my favourite, loose or movable battery.
He would have just been asked to turn off his fog lights, but he had to open his mouth.
I carried out an improper start in Dubai, was done for wreckless endangerment & street racing. Car was jailed for 60 days. Commit the same offence this year and the car will be crushed and myself deported.
I now drive slow
Tire Tread
Driving with Fog Lights
Over tint on windows
and my favourite, loose or movable battery.
He would have just been asked to turn off his fog lights, but he had to open his mouth.
I carried out an improper start in Dubai, was done for wreckless endangerment & street racing. Car was jailed for 60 days. Commit the same offence this year and the car will be crushed and myself deported.
I now drive slow
Advanced
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Lyndon, KS
I used to live in SC, and I would agree that if you just go in and talk to the judge he will let it go. As stated also, be polite and respectful, and I wouldn't bring up the signature thing with the judge, but the DA if you get a chance. If you aren't doing anything unsafe, you shouldn't get in trouble. It doesn't matter HOW high your motor is revving. I've had a guy run NEXT to my car yelling at me to slow down.... how fast do you think you can run idiot?
Jonota
Jonota
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 107
Likes: 0
From: Hawesville Ky
Okay, after reading all the post in the thread, I came to one conclusion. Everyone posting here must be under 20 years old (okay, 30), and you all should never give out legal advice.
The cop forgot to put his name on the citation. Whoopty doo. If you think that this will get you off Scott free, you're in for a short and costly court date. Just as you can change your plea, or plea to a lesser infraction, so can the courts alter a mistake on a ticket, especially something as trivial as a moving violation. A mistake on a ticket is not the same as having your civil or Miranda Rights violated, something that can get your charges thrown out of court.
If the cop put down that you were going warp factor 9, and you were only doing warp factor 4, they can change it in every court I've ever attended and continue on with the case. The only difference will be the cost of the fine. More speed equals more money you'll pay, but speeding is speeding, end of story (that goes for jack rabbit starts no matter if you hit 3000 or 6000rpm's). If the cop feels it was dangerous, then ticket in hand you will have.
Cops charge people with more serious crimes all the time and then the D.A. determines if he can get a conviction or not of those said charges. If not, they drop the ones that they feel won't fly and add any that they think will stick. This is common across the entire United States.
If you feel that a cop has your number in your city, why would you drive in a manner that would bring attention to yourself? A car with this much horsepower comes with some real responsibility and is why I'm glad I don't see 15 year olds on the road with them. There would be a lot less tress standing if there was.
As you've guessed, I'm either am a LEO or use to be one. I am the latter. However, since I left the force 18 years ago, I've been cited for speeding about 12 times. Only once did the ticket go on my record. The rest were traffic school or plead down to faulty equipment. The faulty equipment ones cost me $30 plus court cost ($129 were I live), and if I had to pay my attorney, that would have ran anywhere from $60-$90 bucks. The traffic school ones were so cheap I don't remember what they cost, but they were well worth the investment.
So as you see, I've been on both sides of the law when it comes to driving. I also do a lot work for a lot of attorneys so I always have one who owes me a favor or two. With that said, it doesn't cost much to hire an attorney to represent you in a traffic case like the one you have, and most of the time you don't even have to show up for court (I never did). If a hundred bucks seems like a lot to you, maybe you should think about a car with a lot less horsepower.
With all that said, pay an attorney to plea the case down to faulty equipment (if you can do that where you live) and pay the piper. It won't go on your record or cost you points if your state is similar to mine. Cops go to court all the time, you don't. You're going into their playground with your limited knowledge of the law, and the tables tilted in their favor. This is child's play for them and they will expose your weakness. You're going to have to pay someone, and if you go in there with your inexperience, you'll be paying three times what a lawyer would have cost.
I have fun in my car all the time and my bad cop driving habits rear their head every once in a blue moon. But I don't have any cops stalking me and I'm very cordial and respectful if I am pulled over. That gets me out of 50% of all the tickets I could have gotten. If you can't do this or have the hook ups that I have, drive like you've got some sense or pay the piper.
The choice is totally up to you.
And to Mr. Lau, yes you can get ticketed for driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if everyone else is speeding. Your impeding the flow of traffic is considered more dangerous than the speeders and that's exactly what they will site you for. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is especially on southern California freeways were the average speed is 70 MPH, although the posted speed is 55 MPH.
The cop forgot to put his name on the citation. Whoopty doo. If you think that this will get you off Scott free, you're in for a short and costly court date. Just as you can change your plea, or plea to a lesser infraction, so can the courts alter a mistake on a ticket, especially something as trivial as a moving violation. A mistake on a ticket is not the same as having your civil or Miranda Rights violated, something that can get your charges thrown out of court.
If the cop put down that you were going warp factor 9, and you were only doing warp factor 4, they can change it in every court I've ever attended and continue on with the case. The only difference will be the cost of the fine. More speed equals more money you'll pay, but speeding is speeding, end of story (that goes for jack rabbit starts no matter if you hit 3000 or 6000rpm's). If the cop feels it was dangerous, then ticket in hand you will have.
Cops charge people with more serious crimes all the time and then the D.A. determines if he can get a conviction or not of those said charges. If not, they drop the ones that they feel won't fly and add any that they think will stick. This is common across the entire United States.
If you feel that a cop has your number in your city, why would you drive in a manner that would bring attention to yourself? A car with this much horsepower comes with some real responsibility and is why I'm glad I don't see 15 year olds on the road with them. There would be a lot less tress standing if there was.
As you've guessed, I'm either am a LEO or use to be one. I am the latter. However, since I left the force 18 years ago, I've been cited for speeding about 12 times. Only once did the ticket go on my record. The rest were traffic school or plead down to faulty equipment. The faulty equipment ones cost me $30 plus court cost ($129 were I live), and if I had to pay my attorney, that would have ran anywhere from $60-$90 bucks. The traffic school ones were so cheap I don't remember what they cost, but they were well worth the investment.
So as you see, I've been on both sides of the law when it comes to driving. I also do a lot work for a lot of attorneys so I always have one who owes me a favor or two. With that said, it doesn't cost much to hire an attorney to represent you in a traffic case like the one you have, and most of the time you don't even have to show up for court (I never did). If a hundred bucks seems like a lot to you, maybe you should think about a car with a lot less horsepower.
With all that said, pay an attorney to plea the case down to faulty equipment (if you can do that where you live) and pay the piper. It won't go on your record or cost you points if your state is similar to mine. Cops go to court all the time, you don't. You're going into their playground with your limited knowledge of the law, and the tables tilted in their favor. This is child's play for them and they will expose your weakness. You're going to have to pay someone, and if you go in there with your inexperience, you'll be paying three times what a lawyer would have cost.
I have fun in my car all the time and my bad cop driving habits rear their head every once in a blue moon. But I don't have any cops stalking me and I'm very cordial and respectful if I am pulled over. That gets me out of 50% of all the tickets I could have gotten. If you can't do this or have the hook ups that I have, drive like you've got some sense or pay the piper.
The choice is totally up to you.
And to Mr. Lau, yes you can get ticketed for driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if everyone else is speeding. Your impeding the flow of traffic is considered more dangerous than the speeders and that's exactly what they will site you for. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is especially on southern California freeways were the average speed is 70 MPH, although the posted speed is 55 MPH.
I have 11 +years in law enforcement..who said they were gonna mop the floor with the LEO over a traffic violation? I will gladly accept my time and a half over time pay to come to traffic court to watch you Boldly walk in and tell us all how it is..
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer
Brett Foote
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems
Pouria Savadkouei
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years
Joe Kucinski
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!
Joe Kucinski
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter
Joe Kucinski
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time
Verdad Gallardo
Melting Slicks
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,791
Likes: 44
From: Loudon/Lake Mary Tennessee/Florida
Melting Slicks
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,916
Likes: 1
From: West Palm Beach Florida
This doesn't look good, I am thinkin you could get 5 to 10 for this.
Pack everything you own & head for the hilly country. Don't look back, it was great knowing you. Don't let friends or family know where you are. Keep in touch with us thou, & let us know how you're doing.
Good Luck & be careful..........
.
.. .. .. .. .. .. ..
.
Pack everything you own & head for the hilly country. Don't look back, it was great knowing you. Don't let friends or family know where you are. Keep in touch with us thou, & let us know how you're doing.
Good Luck & be careful..........
.
.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .
Team Owner
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 37,329
Likes: 12
From: Plano Texas
CI 6-7-8-9 Veteran
CI-VI Car Show Winner
St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13
With that said - man up, plead it - go to traffic school - sin no more
BTW - the ticket may not have the LEO's name on it - that WILL NOT get you off. Many jurisdictions use only the badge number - or ticket number - to identify the LEO - using of LEO names on tickets (can) allow some miscreants to find out the address of the LEO, etc.
Race Director
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 10,179
Likes: 2,306
From: Wesley Chapel, FL Las Vegas, NV
Luckily for us here in Vegas there is a Law Firm that will handle any misdemeanor traffic ticket for FREE!
You just drop off the ticket at their office and a couple weeks later you get a letter that the ticket has been reduced to a Parking Citation and that you have until a certain date to pay the fine.
The fine is equal to what the fine would have been for the offense you committed (like $150 for speeding). But at least it is not a moving violation. NO Points, No Going to Court, Nothing.
My son told me about these guys a few years ago. He and his friends had a couple of tickets and I asked him about taking care of them. He told me the story and said he drooped them off at the office. Couple weeks later the letter comes.
Being DAD I'm saying WTF "this lawyer's going to send you a bill for $1000 or more"
So I go down there to "have a talk" with the Lawyer. He confirms everything my son said and tells me they "do it as a public service" and they don't like the insurance companies jacking up you rates. Also they want you as a client if you ever get into big trouble. They are Personal Injury Lawyers.
I asked him if they give discounts to Forum Members. He laughed a said OK 1/2 of what I normally charge. Free!
They send out a news letter every couple of months and I get a Christmas card every year.
Anybody out there need their contact info shoot me a pm.
You just drop off the ticket at their office and a couple weeks later you get a letter that the ticket has been reduced to a Parking Citation and that you have until a certain date to pay the fine.
The fine is equal to what the fine would have been for the offense you committed (like $150 for speeding). But at least it is not a moving violation. NO Points, No Going to Court, Nothing.
My son told me about these guys a few years ago. He and his friends had a couple of tickets and I asked him about taking care of them. He told me the story and said he drooped them off at the office. Couple weeks later the letter comes.
Being DAD I'm saying WTF "this lawyer's going to send you a bill for $1000 or more"
So I go down there to "have a talk" with the Lawyer. He confirms everything my son said and tells me they "do it as a public service" and they don't like the insurance companies jacking up you rates. Also they want you as a client if you ever get into big trouble. They are Personal Injury Lawyers.
I asked him if they give discounts to Forum Members. He laughed a said OK 1/2 of what I normally charge. Free!
They send out a news letter every couple of months and I get a Christmas card every year.
Anybody out there need their contact info shoot me a pm.
Team Owner
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 23,220
Likes: 3
From: HOUSTON
St. Jude Donor '06 thru '15, '19
I got a ticket once that had mistakes on it , I called the court and they said sure that ticket will be dropped and they will fix the mistakes and give you another one, no sense in fighting it for mistakes..
Racer
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 494
Likes: 0
From: Dubai Mirdiff
No help at all but still interesting none the less: UK police officer comments (My Wife):
"Not sure of your laws but in Scottish law, if someone commits a traffic violation, they, at the time of the violation receive a form, detailing the violation. During my time in the police i did not make my name available to the person, only my unique sholder number or my shift number.
The paper detailing the violation, is not the paperwork that goes to court. the officer will compile a police report and crime report based on the violation which will detail the officers description of events and any other detail noted in his notebook. possibly the form you receive was what we call a HORT-1 form, which requires you to provide details of licence or insurance, to any police station nearest to where you live, it is not required to be sent to the police officer who dealt with the violation, and will only be sent to the officer should your insurance or licence be invalid.
in my experience, the officer is not obliged to divulge his identity for the crime to be complete. you only need 1 source of corroboration for traffic violations, and he has the corroboration in his notebook and paperwork.
Yours Truly
Officer...........
"
"Not sure of your laws but in Scottish law, if someone commits a traffic violation, they, at the time of the violation receive a form, detailing the violation. During my time in the police i did not make my name available to the person, only my unique sholder number or my shift number.
The paper detailing the violation, is not the paperwork that goes to court. the officer will compile a police report and crime report based on the violation which will detail the officers description of events and any other detail noted in his notebook. possibly the form you receive was what we call a HORT-1 form, which requires you to provide details of licence or insurance, to any police station nearest to where you live, it is not required to be sent to the police officer who dealt with the violation, and will only be sent to the officer should your insurance or licence be invalid.
in my experience, the officer is not obliged to divulge his identity for the crime to be complete. you only need 1 source of corroboration for traffic violations, and he has the corroboration in his notebook and paperwork.
Yours Truly
Officer...........
"
Racer
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 348
Likes: 3
From: Toronto Ontario
Apparently "improper start" means leaving a red light, getting up to 3000RPM and letting the car wind down before the next light...
I didn't spin tires or anything a normal driver wouldn't do...He heard my exhaust and assumed I was hualing a$$...
I plan to fight this ticket in court...but does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this type of "violation"??
This same local city cop has been eyeing my Torch Red Z since June...and I guess he thought he could give me a ticket this time..
I dont know if it makes a difference or not, but the officer failed to write his name on the ticket!? I'm not sure what this means, but I'm sure it may help me get this ticket dropped...
Hopefully. lol
Any comments would be appreciated!
I didn't spin tires or anything a normal driver wouldn't do...He heard my exhaust and assumed I was hualing a$$...I plan to fight this ticket in court...but does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this type of "violation"??
This same local city cop has been eyeing my Torch Red Z since June...and I guess he thought he could give me a ticket this time..
I dont know if it makes a difference or not, but the officer failed to write his name on the ticket!? I'm not sure what this means, but I'm sure it may help me get this ticket dropped...
Hopefully. lolAny comments would be appreciated!