but I may go with Pirelli this time 
Michelin PS2 Review
Le Mans Master
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Hey, Dave, I ran 3 sets of the GSD3s on my C4, and while they have a killer tread design, seem to have a wider profile on the road, and never tram-lined grooves in freeway cement, I was able to break those tires loose by accident in the wet, which I would expect to be able to do with ANY tire in the rain, but I kid you not, the PS2s seem to be better in the wet.
This is not to say GSD3s are not a good tire. In fact, when I bought the PS2s, at the time I would've preferred to have had the GSD3s, but Costco does not carry Goodyears anymore, and I felt that their deal on the PS2s was so good, I simply had to TRY the PS2s. I could've taken them back once I felt them tram-line those freeway grooves, because Costco has a no-questions-asked return policy even on tires, but now that I've had the experience of PS2s in all kinds of conditions, I have to say that I am quite satisfied.
With that said, I don't think you can go wrong with either the PS2s or the GSD3s, and because both of these tires are such good tires, there certainly is not any reason to switch to one or the other if you already have either tire on your car. In other words, if PS2s are not available at a better deal the next time around, I would not hesitate to go with GSD3s and not look back, either, because I know I'd be happy with those, too, as I had been in the past.
I just started this thread because I wanted to offer my experience, not to bash other tires, or waive my non-patriotic flag, or whatever else some others might think of me. I just thought it might help others who may be faced with the same "which way should I go" dilemna I faced when trying to decide on a tire. The Costco deal is really what pushed me to the Michelins, nothing else, because I really did want GSD3s. The PS2s were US$1083.75, including 7.75% sales tax. Includes life-time balance and repairs, and road hazard warranty (and I already had to use the repair warranty).
However, the next time you need tires, if you have the opportunity to try PS2s with no obligation, you might just want to, because they really are an excellent tire.
This is not to say GSD3s are not a good tire. In fact, when I bought the PS2s, at the time I would've preferred to have had the GSD3s, but Costco does not carry Goodyears anymore, and I felt that their deal on the PS2s was so good, I simply had to TRY the PS2s. I could've taken them back once I felt them tram-line those freeway grooves, because Costco has a no-questions-asked return policy even on tires, but now that I've had the experience of PS2s in all kinds of conditions, I have to say that I am quite satisfied.
With that said, I don't think you can go wrong with either the PS2s or the GSD3s, and because both of these tires are such good tires, there certainly is not any reason to switch to one or the other if you already have either tire on your car. In other words, if PS2s are not available at a better deal the next time around, I would not hesitate to go with GSD3s and not look back, either, because I know I'd be happy with those, too, as I had been in the past.
I just started this thread because I wanted to offer my experience, not to bash other tires, or waive my non-patriotic flag, or whatever else some others might think of me. I just thought it might help others who may be faced with the same "which way should I go" dilemna I faced when trying to decide on a tire. The Costco deal is really what pushed me to the Michelins, nothing else, because I really did want GSD3s. The PS2s were US$1083.75, including 7.75% sales tax. Includes life-time balance and repairs, and road hazard warranty (and I already had to use the repair warranty).
However, the next time you need tires, if you have the opportunity to try PS2s with no obligation, you might just want to, because they really are an excellent tire.
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Melting Slicks
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When was that? I just got mine, and the other day when I was there getting my flat repaired, the deal (discount program) was still on. Are you sure you weren't pricing the run-flats? Maybe those are more money.
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Hey, Dave, I ran 3 sets of the GSD3s on my C4, and while they have a killer tread design, seem to have a wider profile on the road, and never tram-lined grooves in freeway cement, I was able to break those tires loose by accident in the wet, which I would expect to be able to do with ANY tire in the rain, but I kid you not, the PS2s seem to be better in the wet.
This is not to say GSD3s are not a good tire. In fact, when I bought the PS2s, at the time I would've preferred to have had the GSD3s, but Costco does not carry Goodyears anymore, and I felt that their deal on the PS2s was so good, I simply had to TRY the PS2s. I could've taken them back once I felt them tram-line those freeway grooves, because Costco has a no-questions-asked return policy even on tires, but now that I've had the experience of PS2s in all kinds of conditions, I have to say that I am quite satisfied.
With that said, I don't think you can go wrong with either the PS2s or the GSD3s, and because both of these tires are such good tires, there certainly is not any reason to switch to one or the other if you already have either tire on your car. In other words, if PS2s are not available at a better deal the next time around, I would not hesitate to go with GSD3s and not look back, either, because I know I'd be happy with those, too, as I had been in the past.
I just started this thread because I wanted to offer my experience, not to bash other tires, or waive my non-patriotic flag, or whatever else some others might think of me. I just thought it might help others who may be faced with the same "which way should I go" dilemna I faced when trying to decide on a tire. The Costco deal is really what pushed me to the Michelins, nothing else, because I really did want GSD3s. The PS2s were US$1083.75, including 7.75% sales tax. Includes life-time balance and repairs, and road hazard warranty (and I already had to use the repair warranty).
However, the next time you need tires, if you have the opportunity to try PS2s with no obligation, you might just want to, because they really are an excellent tire.
This is not to say GSD3s are not a good tire. In fact, when I bought the PS2s, at the time I would've preferred to have had the GSD3s, but Costco does not carry Goodyears anymore, and I felt that their deal on the PS2s was so good, I simply had to TRY the PS2s. I could've taken them back once I felt them tram-line those freeway grooves, because Costco has a no-questions-asked return policy even on tires, but now that I've had the experience of PS2s in all kinds of conditions, I have to say that I am quite satisfied.
With that said, I don't think you can go wrong with either the PS2s or the GSD3s, and because both of these tires are such good tires, there certainly is not any reason to switch to one or the other if you already have either tire on your car. In other words, if PS2s are not available at a better deal the next time around, I would not hesitate to go with GSD3s and not look back, either, because I know I'd be happy with those, too, as I had been in the past.
I just started this thread because I wanted to offer my experience, not to bash other tires, or waive my non-patriotic flag, or whatever else some others might think of me. I just thought it might help others who may be faced with the same "which way should I go" dilemna I faced when trying to decide on a tire. The Costco deal is really what pushed me to the Michelins, nothing else, because I really did want GSD3s. The PS2s were US$1083.75, including 7.75% sales tax. Includes life-time balance and repairs, and road hazard warranty (and I already had to use the repair warranty).
However, the next time you need tires, if you have the opportunity to try PS2s with no obligation, you might just want to, because they really are an excellent tire.
It took three days to perform all the tests. On day one, we did wet and dry brake tests. We accelerated to 50 mph and then braked to a standstill. (We were unable to drive to our traditional 70-mph mark because there simply wasn't enough track.) There was a benefit to that lower speed: It ensured that we were measuring the braking performance of the tires and not just brake fade.
Over the next two days, when we performed the wet and dry autocross tests, we were joined by Spencer Geswein of Full-Lock Industries. Geswein and Brian Smith formed Full-Lock in 2001 and offer a variety of driving-related services that include instruction, testing, and racing (www.full-lock.com). Both men spent at least 10 years testing tires for Michelin, so we figured that kind of experience would uncover some subtle tire traits that we might miss. And in case you're thinking Geswein might play favorites, he asked that we not tell him which tires he was driving on, so his testing of the 11 brands was done blind.
Geswein drove three laps through the autocross course, and then we drove three laps—in dry and wet conditions. We averaged the six dry and six wet laps to come up with a time for each tire's performance on wet and dry surfaces. In the end, we had performance results for six tests: braking, autocross, and lateral grip—each in wet and dry conditions.
We gave the top-performing tire in each test a score of 100 and scored the rest on their relative performance. For example, the tire that had the highest dry lateral grip of 0.95 g scored 100 points, and the tire placing last with 0.88 g received 92.6 points (0.88 is 92.6 percent of 0.95). We then added the scores from all the dry tests to arrive at a dry-performance rating and did the same for the wet-test results.
Over the next two days, when we performed the wet and dry autocross tests, we were joined by Spencer Geswein of Full-Lock Industries. Geswein and Brian Smith formed Full-Lock in 2001 and offer a variety of driving-related services that include instruction, testing, and racing (www.full-lock.com). Both men spent at least 10 years testing tires for Michelin, so we figured that kind of experience would uncover some subtle tire traits that we might miss. And in case you're thinking Geswein might play favorites, he asked that we not tell him which tires he was driving on, so his testing of the 11 brands was done blind.
Geswein drove three laps through the autocross course, and then we drove three laps—in dry and wet conditions. We averaged the six dry and six wet laps to come up with a time for each tire's performance on wet and dry surfaces. In the end, we had performance results for six tests: braking, autocross, and lateral grip—each in wet and dry conditions.
We gave the top-performing tire in each test a score of 100 and scored the rest on their relative performance. For example, the tire that had the highest dry lateral grip of 0.95 g scored 100 points, and the tire placing last with 0.88 g received 92.6 points (0.88 is 92.6 percent of 0.95). We then added the scores from all the dry tests to arrive at a dry-performance rating and did the same for the wet-test results.
The conclusion was that the GSD3s were best overall in the wet tests and second in the dry (behind the BF Goodrich KDWs by .01Gs).
Still, as you have found from first-hand experience, you can't go wrong with either. (And your cost was exceptional for Michelins!)
Le Mans Master
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Just got some Goodyear GS-D3's for the Benz CLK500, and noticed they are made in CHINA, very disappointed to see that, I bought Goodyears to support an "American company".
I understand that the cheaper lower end line of tires and everything else is now made in China, but I did not expect a nearly $200 a pop tires to be made there.....
Are Michelin PS2 made in US ? ( I know French company)
I understand that the cheaper lower end line of tires and everything else is now made in China, but I did not expect a nearly $200 a pop tires to be made there.....
Are Michelin PS2 made in US ? ( I know French company)
Le Mans Master
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From: Phoenix Arizona
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 6,149
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From: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Lol... I *am* the next generation; I'm 25 and just graduated with an Engineering degree
Personally I think that's great that there are people in China willing to assemble stuff for 5 bucks an hour... If I ever need something made, I'll make a factory there
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