c5 vs. gt500
Burning Brakes
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From: N E area of state Kansas
any car can go fast if done right. Remember the old vegas that used to dominate drag strips?? Mustangs are cheap. Fox bodys can be had for next to nothing, and can be made a very fast dedicated racer a lot cheaper than a vette can. They hit every branch of the ugly tree, but they can be made fast. Vette is not really made for the dragstrip, that is why the made a big deal of the ring times. Vette is a sports car. Which one is better? depends on your needs. I love my vettes, and really can't ever see myself buying a mustang. Too many idiots in them (however, I ahve met some very awesome mustang guys that break that trend and are true car guys.) I think this C5 stands a pretty good chance with mods. But a stock one, would not. The 500 would take it unless the driver was a complete idiot. But, the vette can add mods, and so can the stang, and thus begins the never-ending pi**ing contest of "im faster than you!"
Le Mans Master
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From: Concord NC
The times are relatively close in the 1/4(~3-4 tenths) mainly due to traction issues...but look at the MPH difference between the two and you get an idea of how much faster the ZR-1 actually is. They're trapping around 131 mph whereas the Z06 is about 122-123. Which means the longer you stay in it,the wider that gap becomes.
Just look at the Nurburgring times for further confirmation of the
ZR-1's prowess.......7:26 vs the Z06's very respectable 7:42
For example,our GT500 makes close to 600 RWHP for less than an exhaust system on my Z06
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Instructor
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The GT500 stock is a waste of money when it comes to performance but like many said - the owner needs one of these mods to start walking away
pulley
Slicks/DR
tune
Whipple S/C
the 5.4 is supposed to be able to handle up to 1000HP stock
I give the win to the vette if the GT500 is bone stock - i would be smarter to buy an 05+ GT slap some tires and a Kenne Bell on for less than 25K and whoop on a STOCK GT500
pulley
Slicks/DR
tune
Whipple S/C
the 5.4 is supposed to be able to handle up to 1000HP stock
I give the win to the vette if the GT500 is bone stock - i would be smarter to buy an 05+ GT slap some tires and a Kenne Bell on for less than 25K and whoop on a STOCK GT500
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Racer
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From: norwich ny
well the owner of the gt500's dad owns the local ford dealership so i walked in to talk to him about taking it to the track sunday and he said noooo!! he didnt want to embarass me hahaha i just laughed and listened to salesman who all own mustangs tell me how they go to the track (ive never seen them lol) ... just scared if you ask me i mean the local ford dealerships fancy gt500 cant be getting beat by a 21year old in a corvette now can he lol
Melting Slicks
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Just be consistent and talk smack about Mustangs. Eventually he's gonna race you
Just make sure he doesn't modify the Shelby before
Or use the time to make your C5 faster.
And if you're worried it's going to be dead even, do some free mods before the race (take out the passenger seat, empty the washer fluid...) May be good for .05 seconds.
Just make sure he doesn't modify the Shelby beforeOr use the time to make your C5 faster.
And if you're worried it's going to be dead even, do some free mods before the race (take out the passenger seat, empty the washer fluid...) May be good for .05 seconds.
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Burning Brakes
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Just be consistent and talk smack about Mustangs. Eventually he's gonna race you Just make sure he doesn't modify the Shelby before
Or use the time to make your C5 faster.
And if you're worried it's going to be dead even, do some free mods before the race (take out the passenger seat, empty the washer fluid...) May be good for .05 seconds.
Just make sure he doesn't modify the Shelby beforeOr use the time to make your C5 faster.
And if you're worried it's going to be dead even, do some free mods before the race (take out the passenger seat, empty the washer fluid...) May be good for .05 seconds.
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From: Austin Texas
MillenniumVette is right - Only the 03-04 Cobra's had IRS
I owned a 2003 Mustang Cobra. Ford make the 03 and 04 Mustang SVT Cobras with IRS. They were tough to launch even if you had drag radials that were properly warmed. I raced mine many times (at the Drag stip) and had a best of 12.87 seconds with a 111 mph trap speed. Those times were when the engine was stock. Note: '03 and '04 Cobra's don't stay stock for long if they want to run with the big boys.
The GT500's Ford made during the past few years has the same basic problems. It has too much weight bias toward the front of the car and too little tire to launch properly. There are a ton of GT500 owners who recognize this and adapt with aftermarket parts, etc...
Bottom line up front: My $ is on any stock C5 or C6 vette in a drag race against a "stock GT500". But, if you run into somebody who has the "good driver mod", that changes things!
The GT500's Ford made during the past few years has the same basic problems. It has too much weight bias toward the front of the car and too little tire to launch properly. There are a ton of GT500 owners who recognize this and adapt with aftermarket parts, etc...
Bottom line up front: My $ is on any stock C5 or C6 vette in a drag race against a "stock GT500". But, if you run into somebody who has the "good driver mod", that changes things!
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I went hunting for the GT500 guy last night. The one I raced a few weeks ago. He didnt show up. Too bad, my car was running especially well last night too.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Austin Texas
99-'01's did as well, but
The 99-2001's did have IRS, from what I learned as a long time member on SVTxxxormance.com as well, but in my defense, that was the the group of "new edge" cobra's that had the famous highly inflated horse power ratings (of 320hp that was more like 290-295), which led to the 2003's getting the eaton M112 superchargers installed in order to make it somewhat competitive with the C5's. These "terminator" Cobra's were faster than their predecessors, not only on a drag strip but also when the road started to curve.
Still, I would rather have a 'vette. My '03 was a money pit when it came to mechanical brake-downs. I had the IRS replaced, and went through two rear ends in the 4 years I drove it. I suspect many of the same mech-problems will plague the GT500's.
Still, I would rather have a 'vette. My '03 was a money pit when it came to mechanical brake-downs. I had the IRS replaced, and went through two rear ends in the 4 years I drove it. I suspect many of the same mech-problems will plague the GT500's.
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I took down a 2008 Z06 a couple weeks ago with my car. No way that should happen. It was his second time to the track and that is why.
These cars are not fast just because they have a lot of power, they are fast because the person in the left seat knows how to put the power to the ground.
And I'm still learning. Being consistant is one of the hardest things to learn. My times will vary by 4 tenths from run to run because I just cant seem to get my launch consistant.
Burning Brakes
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Not necessarily. The driver has a lot to do with it too.
I took down a 2008 Z06 a couple weeks ago with my car. No way that should happen. It was his second time to the track and that is why.
These cars are not fast just because they have a lot of power, they are fast because the person in the left seat knows how to put the power to the ground.
And I'm still learning. Being consistant is one of the hardest things to learn. My times will vary by 4 tenths from run to run because I just cant seem to get my launch consistant.
I took down a 2008 Z06 a couple weeks ago with my car. No way that should happen. It was his second time to the track and that is why.
These cars are not fast just because they have a lot of power, they are fast because the person in the left seat knows how to put the power to the ground.
And I'm still learning. Being consistant is one of the hardest things to learn. My times will vary by 4 tenths from run to run because I just cant seem to get my launch consistant.
Instructor
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From: North Little Rock Arkansas
Good friend of mine has a GT500. Obviously, it's a nice car...but I'm not a Mustang guy. He rubs in his 500+ hp car. He's done a couple mods, KR exhaust, cold air induction. I don't think he can drive the thing really. And I probably can't drive my 98 either...it's an auto. I've been on a couple of cruises with him and neither one of us have tested each other.....I didn't want to be embarassed. He's got 150 hp+ on me. You really think 2 guys of equal skill (good or bad) in these 2 cars is a dead heat? I may try him
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I dont think your stock a4 will beat his modded GT500. The advantage of a 6 speed is you can launch at what ever rpm you want to. In an a4 you are limited by your torque converter. As such, it will be hard for you to beat him. But to beat him, get a 3200 stall, headers, and 3.73 gears and you should be in the11s.
Oh, and you need drag radials too. That should be your first mod.
Oh, and you need drag radials too. That should be your first mod.
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Man alot of you guys sound like ricers in this thread
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You guys are using the same arguments that the import crowd uses against domestics. Price, dynamics of the chassis, price, price, weight, price oh and price.
The OP never mentioned that his car is by any means stock, so all those issues go right out the door.
Here's some food for thought:
A 1989 Turbo Supra with $5k spent right, WILL beat a C5.
A 1997 Civic hatch with $5,000 spent right can beat a C5.
A Mustang is heavy... so is a new Camaro and Challenger.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO COMPETE WITH A CORVETTE.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO CORNER LIKE AN ACURA NSX.
A Mustang of any form NOT A SPORTS CAR BY ANY MEANS.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO CORNER LIKE A LOTUS ELISE.
-Alex
.You guys are using the same arguments that the import crowd uses against domestics. Price, dynamics of the chassis, price, price, weight, price oh and price.
The OP never mentioned that his car is by any means stock, so all those issues go right out the door.
Here's some food for thought:
A 1989 Turbo Supra with $5k spent right, WILL beat a C5.
A 1997 Civic hatch with $5,000 spent right can beat a C5.
A Mustang is heavy... so is a new Camaro and Challenger.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO COMPETE WITH A CORVETTE.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO CORNER LIKE AN ACURA NSX.
A Mustang of any form NOT A SPORTS CAR BY ANY MEANS.
A Mustang IS NOT DESIGNED TO CORNER LIKE A LOTUS ELISE.
-Alex
I think the average Joe is too wrapped around the axle about straight line performance. If that is all one wants, you can make almost any car a great straight line performer.
$8-$10K in a C5 will make it hard to beat on a track (IMHO) but then (IMHO) it takes away from what the C5 really is, a great sports car (a really fast GT car really). To each his/her own, but a stock C5 will NOT beat a GT500 in a drag race (C5s were not designed to be drag raced, BTW) My .02
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Went to a friend's house the other day to see his place. Amidst all of his motorcycles, his pride and joy was a brand new black GT500KR. Looked pretty impressive and I'm not a mustang fan. He was going to take it out to show it off to me but his wife hid his keys
I would trade "straight -up" for it!
I would trade "straight -up" for it!