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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by killain
I have the Corsa "Pace Car" system. Best money I ever spent.
Corsa Pace with tiger shark tips here. That exotic sound you hear them talking about happens mostly off throttle, see 37 seconds.

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JOES-C5
Thanks for the feedback. I know you can get the Corsa installed at Carlisle, but I am not sure if you can get the Borlas installed there.
Borla installs at Carlisle...just next to Corsa
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Never had a set of the Borlas - but I do have a set of the Corsa Indys on mine now. Love the sound and absolutely no drone inside the cabin or popping when letting off the gas.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:01 PM
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Corsa pacecars here...very mild to wild setup if you have headers. With stock manifolds, it is more like mild to moderate lol. I love how quiet it is at idle but when you hammer on it good god does it come to life...
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:02 PM
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I went with the Corsa Pace Car w/Tigershark tips. I absolutely love it. I did before and after video and am making a little video of it.
I did a LOT of searches through youtube and anywhere else I could find videos of Corvette exhaust.
I'll see what the file size is like when I finish it.
Can you attach a video in a PM?
Also love the look of the Tigershark tips!!

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:15 PM
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Corsa sport with Tigershark tips here and loving everyday with them.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:26 PM
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Got the video on in my gallery:

http://gallery.me.com/r.graw
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 02:40 AM
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Had Borla's dual tip stingers on my 03; I love the deep muscle car sound especially on WOT and on launch. But as majority have stated in the past - it is your personal preference, not sure if this have been suggested already but if you can find members here that is near where you live; I would try and hear them live instead. This is how I decided to go with Borla's because I have heard one during the Bloomington Gold show and this is what I have now on my 99 GTS. Luckily, the previous owners of the GTS I bought loved Borla's as well. I miss my 03; will most likely be in the market in the future.
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Some good advice that was given to me last year,was go to Carlisle, check out the entrance and listen to the Vettes as they come in. Then walk around and talk to people and hear what they have to say and listen to their exhausts. I'm sure you'll find at least a few who would be willing to start it up and give you a listen

Just was out yesterday for an afternoon and we have a lot of steep hills around and I purposely tried lugging the engine up the some of the hills and as subjective as it might be, Corsa's still have no drone(indy pace car ,x-pipe and headers now! However, have fun with whatever your decision is, that's the whole point anyway.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tomringo
Some good advice that was given to me last year,was go to Carlisle, check out the entrance and listen to the Vettes as they come in. Then walk around and talk to people and hear what they have to say and listen to their exhausts. I'm sure you'll find at least a few who would be willing to start it up and give you a listen

Just was out yesterday for an afternoon and we have a lot of steep hills around and I purposely tried lugging the engine up the some of the hills and as subjective as it might be, Corsa's still have no drone(Indy pace car ,x-pipe and headers now! However, have fun with whatever your decision is, that's the whole point anyway.
The problem with this suggestion is this:
You will hear very drone prone exhaust systems at Carlisle, and these systems will all sound great at idle or when revved up... When we at GM worked with Corsa on the design for the Indy Pace car, I was specifically told by Corsa Engineers that they can bend the sound by tuning the exhaust chambers, but its always going to be a trade off.. there are three issues with exhaust harmonics.. idle, cruise and wot.. they can tune the sound of two of the tree to produce that optimal sound throughout the rpm range.. but you cant have great idle, great wide open throttle, and great cruise... you have to take from one to get the other...Development engineers at GM wanted no drone when cruising in the 60 to 80 mph (2500 3000 rpm range ) this was a very important feature.. and with the Corsa Indy pace car system being licenced by GM, they had to make it the way we wanted it. Thus the Indy Pace car system was born... The point being.. the system that have great Idle, have to give up great cruise... they all sound good at WOT, and its not the main focus of any designed system.. because its only for a relatively short time that you are in WOT mode. So what do you want , great Idle, or Drone at cruise.. you cant have both... if that were the case then we would have gone to that system. Drone was not an option on the Indy pace car system. So here is some insider information on the development of the Corsa Indy Pace car system. Does it sound as good as a drone prone system at Idle? No...
So at Carlisle you may hear some great idle tones, and WOT, but the real test is taking that system out on the road at 60/70 mph in 6th gear and listening to it for about 20 minutes to determine if you can handle that noise. Many members have PM's me over the years and fell victim to the idle tone.. most of the most obnoxious system sound great at idle.. So these folks bout that system only to have issues with cruise and in many cases, they had to sell them because of these cruise issues.. Ive heard many many headache stories.. many my wife wont get into the car since I bought the system stories...
So consider this, before you make a choice.
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BTW this sound development is not a secret , any manufacturer of exhaust systems have their own engineers... they all know that you cant have it all... All exhaust manufacturers design their systems around these principles.. Borla wants a better sound at Idle, and are willing to make this system to appeal to those who only want a great Idle...They all sound good at WOT. They are betting that more people want better idle than want a drone free system at cruise.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 10:02 AM
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What HE said.

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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dklowrider
i know what you are saying, but honestly i don't experience a drone that i consider to be on the level you are describing. it's there, yes, but i don't see the horrible annoyance that some people describe. maybe a convertible has different accoustics?
that sound that the borlas produce is MY feeling of a pure quality sound. which comes right back to the personal preference/subjectivity part of a 'which is best' type of question.
Couldn't agree more.

In the end, I like the sound of the Borla Stingers 100000000x more than the Corsa's (any type). That alone is enough to justify everything.

But even so, I don't see this "terrible" drone some complain about. Put another way, Borla Stingers is the first mod my wife wants to make to her vette. If the wife wants it, it can't be that bad.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by nj02vette
Couldn't agree more.

In the end, I like the sound of the Borla Stingers 100000000x more than the Corsa's (any type). That alone is enough to justify everything.

But even so, I don't see this "terrible" drone some complain about. Put another way, Borla Stingers is the first mod my wife wants to make to her vette. If the wife wants it, it can't be that bad.
Being loud is not gender specific.... As long as you and the misses are happy, you cant ask for anything more.. also just like " Ping" many people both male and female wouldn't know what drone is, or ping for that matter, because they think its normal.... IM not arguing the better system, I just know that in my over 15,000 private message posts. I've had a large number of members tell me their story... I don't make this stuff up..... Just trying to make sure that others don't walk into the " Oh it sounded really good at Idle.. I didn't have a chance to hear it for 30 minutes at cruise.. I bought it because it sounded good at Carlisle..in the parking lot...
OK IM done with this thread.. Ive offered some insider information, and some input I received over my ten plus years here... Good luck with your decision .
Bill aka ET
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 12:45 PM
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Thanks ET for the info & knowledge. That clears up a lot of confusion for me. Never thought about the 3 choices. All in all, would rather have idle & cruise......my wife likes to talk in the car. But, on the other hand, with loud cruise (drone), I wouldn't hear her. But, I'm sure that wouldn't last long either.
Again, Thanks

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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
The problem with this suggestion is this:
You will hear very drone prone exhaust systems at Carlisle, and these systems will all sound great at idle or when revved up... When we at GM worked with Corsa on the design for the Indy Pace car, I was specifically told by Corsa Engineers that they can bend the sound by tuning the exhaust chambers, but its always going to be a trade off.. there are three issues with exhaust harmonics.. idle, cruise and wot.. they can tune the sound of two of the tree to produce that optimal sound throughout the rpm range.. but you cant have great idle, great wide open throttle, and great cruise... you have to take from one to get the other...Development engineers at GM wanted no drone when cruising in the 60 to 80 mph (2500 3000 rpm range ) this was a very important feature.. and with the Corsa Indy pace car system being licenced by GM, they had to make it the way we wanted it. Thus the Indy Pace car system was born... The point being.. the system that have great Idle, have to give up great cruise... they all sound good at WOT, and its not the main focus of any designed system.. because its only for a relatively short time that you are in WOT mode. So what do you want , great Idle, or Drone at cruise.. you cant have both... if that were the case then we would have gone to that system. Drone was not an option on the Indy pace car system. So here is some insider information on the development of the Corsa Indy Pace car system. Does it sound as good as a drone prone system at Idle? No...
So at Carlisle you may hear some great idle tones, and WOT, but the real test is taking that system out on the road at 60/70 mph in 6th gear and listening to it for about 20 minutes to determine if you can handle that noise. Many members have PM's me over the years and fell victim to the idle tone.. most of the most obnoxious system sound great at idle.. So these folks bout that system only to have issues with cruise and in many cases, they had to sell them because of these cruise issues.. Ive heard many many headache stories.. many my wife wont get into the car since I bought the system stories...
So consider this, before you make a choice.
Good Luck
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BTW this sound development is not a secret , any manufacturer of exhaust systems have their own engineers... they all know that you cant have it all... All exhaust manufacturers design their systems around these principles.. Borla wants a better sound at Idle, and are willing to make this system to appeal to those who only want a great Idle...They all sound good at WOT. They are betting that more people want better idle than want a drone free system at cruise.
Great history and insight as to the development of the Pace system. And if I may say, one of my favorite things about the Corsa pace is the idle. Almost sounds like it has a cam.

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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MJinPA
Corsa Pace Car with no X pipe here. Love the sound and the OCCASIONAL popping. Save yourself the nearly $400 on the x pipe to put towards another mod.
Same here.... no X-pipe on purpose. Love the sound when decelerating, reminds me of my early street-rod days with dual Smithy's.

As for the drone, do yourself a favor and take a cruise on the interstate with someone running Borlas.... no need for a test cruise with Corsas.... no drone...guaranteed.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:51 PM
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Had borla stingers and the drone @ 65-75 in 6th grew old on my daily freeway work commute.

Switched to z06 Ti mufflers with headers but found them too mild.

Finally ended up with corsa indy pace car setup and find them to be the perfect blend for being loud and quiet at exactly when i want them to be.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mightymike140
I live 15 min from corsa head quarters so most vette owners in my area go with them. I have a borla setup on my 99 and i get alot of corsa owners complimenting the sound of my car. Borla puts out a deeper sound and better rumble at idle. In all reality there both top notch exhaust but i prefer borla
Just to prove the variety of opinions, I met up with another Z06 owner a few months ago. He has cam, LG street headers and x-pipe. So do I. He has Stingers, I have the Extremes. He was *completely* blown away by the volume and tone of my Extremes. I could see that "oh I wish I hadn't heard those!" look on his face after I mashed the throttle for him a few times. But they both do sound great. I can vouch that the Extremes have very little, if any, drone at any RPM range. I just did a round trip to Bowling Green (from Green Bay, WI) with the wife and it was just fine having conversations. And we could actually hear, and enjoy, the subtle deep exhaust note in 6th gear at 75mph, with the help of my very quiet Nitto 555RII's. It's a very enjoyable combo/experience to be sure! You can't go wrong with either choice though. They both make vettes sound like THEY SHOULD!
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
The problem with this suggestion is this:
You will hear very drone prone exhaust systems at Carlisle, and these systems will all sound great at idle or when revved up... When we at GM worked with Corsa on the design for the Indy Pace car, I was specifically told by Corsa Engineers that they can bend the sound by tuning the exhaust chambers, but its always going to be a trade off.. there are three issues with exhaust harmonics.. idle, cruise and wot.. they can tune the sound of two of the tree to produce that optimal sound throughout the rpm range.. but you cant have great idle, great wide open throttle, and great cruise... you have to take from one to get the other...Development engineers at GM wanted no drone when cruising in the 60 to 80 mph (2500 3000 rpm range ) this was a very important feature.. and with the Corsa Indy pace car system being licenced by GM, they had to make it the way we wanted it. Thus the Indy Pace car system was born... The point being.. the system that have great Idle, have to give up great cruise... they all sound good at WOT, and its not the main focus of any designed system.. because its only for a relatively short time that you are in WOT mode. So what do you want , great Idle, or Drone at cruise.. you cant have both... if that were the case then we would have gone to that system. Drone was not an option on the Indy pace car system. So here is some insider information on the development of the Corsa Indy Pace car system. Does it sound as good as a drone prone system at Idle? No...
So at Carlisle you may hear some great idle tones, and WOT, but the real test is taking that system out on the road at 60/70 mph in 6th gear and listening to it for about 20 minutes to determine if you can handle that noise. Many members have PM's me over the years and fell victim to the idle tone.. most of the most obnoxious system sound great at idle.. So these folks bout that system only to have issues with cruise and in many cases, they had to sell them because of these cruise issues.. Ive heard many many headache stories.. many my wife wont get into the car since I bought the system stories...
So consider this, before you make a choice.
Good Luck
Bill aka ET

BTW this sound development is not a secret , any manufacturer of exhaust systems have their own engineers... they all know that you cant have it all... All exhaust manufacturers design their systems around these principles.. Borla wants a better sound at Idle, and are willing to make this system to appeal to those who only want a great Idle...They all sound good at WOT. They are betting that more people want better idle than want a drone free system at cruise.
Great information All those in the process of making a decision on exhausts should take advantage of this, having all this feedback & knowledge going in is a real plus. There's tons of posts on exhausts information, but this is some of the best. Whatever you finally decide you have a lot of good back ground info. Good Luck....now go buy and enjoy
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Originally Posted by Must_Have_Z
I agree. The "Corsa sounds exotic, Borla sounds muscle" statement doesn't apply to the Corsa Extremes. They are pure muscle, pure terror, pure heart-pounding adrenaline. Especially if you have cam, long tubes and x-pipe. I can't imagine anything sounding more muscle than that setup (which I have).

with my cammed 382 stroker. some friends have told me the car sounds down right evil especially at the drag strip. by changing out from the zo-6 ti's to extremes i also picked a mile per hour in et to 131.57 but the extremes also weigh 5lbs more than ti's.
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