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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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I have often wondered about this, is it like Amway??
Amsoil was the first synthetic motor oil to be "Marketed" The man who came up with the idea was a ex-military pilot, but oddly he didn't market it himself, it was an employee of his who started selling it in a different state. But Amsoil is a pure synthetic oil, but all the major oil companies very soon started selling 'Synthetic' motor oils. They all use a base stock that either a III or a IV is it synthetic, sure, but the fine breakdown you'll find differences in all of them. Will it make my engine last forever, I don't know.

It's a long story and I have no doubt the Amsoil is a great oil,, hands down. There is a company in New Jersey MT technologies who actually make a 100% pure Synthetic motor oil. Stuff cost out of sight, and I'm sure to some folks that's their cup of tea. but I'm just some old retired guy who drives my car 4000 to 5000 miles. I guess I could chase down Amsoil or Royal Purple, but I'm 61, I'm sure it will make the car last forever. But at 61 there is no such thing as a lifetime guarantee on anything. I could drop dead tonight and what's the brand of oil do for me then. I ain't doing any driving once I pass on.

Ya know the Mobil-1 I can buy at Walmart, $32.00 I get 7 quarts and I bought a box of their oil filters and I guess I've been lucky, My Corvette runs fine. Just two weeks ago I got a speeding ticket. The cop was real nice, I didn't try to ******** him, I told him, "Ya know officer, in this car when I'm doing 60 MPH it feels like 30 MPH, 5 miles per hour feels like your parked. I was looking for the flashing school signs and not my speedometer Officer. He came back and said I was doing 57 in a 40 mph area, but he wrote it up as I was doing 45 in a 40 mph zone, Just pay the ticket and there's no points on your license!" I said "Thank you !"

So I got lucky, So in reality I need to use the car more, and I'm getting started on my 'Bucket List" and the Corvette plays a big part in that. Maybe it would be wise to just get 7 quarts of Amsoil or Royal Purple 5W/30 and I'd be really set. I don't beat my car, it's my baby. I got a Supercharged Pontiac sedan and a Chevy pickup and I use Mobil-1 high milage in the Pontiac and just any kind of oil, I think I bought 5 quarts of "pennsoil" to put in the 1990 Silverado, it's a 305, runs OK. The whole issue of Motor oil here is crazy. but don't dispute the quality of Amsoil.


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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Subdriver
AMSOIL and Amway are not affiliated.
I know they are not affiliated, I was talking about having a similar MLM structure to Amway. I've not seen this explained before.
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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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I tnink this next oil change I'll try Castol Edge full synthetic. It's $3-$4 cheaper than Mobil 1.
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Originally Posted by SS2001SS
I know they are not affiliated, I was talking about having a similar MLM structure to Amway. I've not seen this explained before.
This should answer your question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsoil
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SS2001SS
I know they are not affiliated, I was talking about having a similar MLM structure to Amway. I've not seen this explained before.
Yes, they do use a MLM strategy (similar to companies like Snap On, Mary Kay, etc.). As Killian indicates above, AMSOIL was formed by a retired Air Force LtCol who was an F-104 fighter squadron commander. He saw the benefits of synthetics in jet engines and brought that to the automotive industry. I suspect he found it very difficult to get acceptance from the industry for synthetics and was challenged to get his product in stores, so after trying traditional marketing for awhile, he went MLM. It has been successful. Despite offerings from major chains to carry the product, AMSOIL has refused and continues their "mom and pop" type approach. Current AMSOIL policy only allows dealers such as myself to set up accounts with retail outlets that either have chains with 12 stores or less, or that are not corporately owned/managed. So you could see AMSOIL in a Napa store as most of those are independently owned, but not Walmart, Target, etc. I personally don't have the time to approach these types of accounts, though if someone approaches me I easily can (and have) set them up with an account as it can be done online. About 99% of my customers are personal users not local to me.

Some will call this a "pyramid" scheme where the dealers more senior make money off your sales. Partially true, but the scheme is pretty flat. AMSOIL pays a flat total sales commission on a sale (e.g. a quart of oil) that is comparible to the markup of most traditional distribution methods. I started using AMSOIL in my Vette at the beginning of the 2004 season after losing an engine my first year racing in 2003. I became a dealer a few months later. I reached the maximum sales rate two years later - so I, not dealers more senior to me, get the full commission rate. They do not get a piece of my pie. Unlike a typical vision of a MLM company, I do not hold "parties" to sell the product, nor do I attempt to get my friends and family to become customers.

Some will say the markup on a MLM product is higher than traditional marketing, but I have never seen studies to show that is true. As a direct to dealer/customer marketing scheme, AMSOIL has a more simple distribution chain. They have 11 distribution centers located around the country and ship from their plant to most of these distribution centers by train, and from the distribution center direct to the customer by UPS. When someone buys from me, I almost never actually "touch" the product, it is shipped directly from the closest distribution center to them. Not quite as efficient as Walmart, but more efficient than the distribution chain to most stores. I can get AMSOIL's product most comparible to Mobil 1 (the AMSOIL OE Synthetic 5w30 ) direct to the door of most customer less expensively than they can pick it up at most stores... less Walmart. Their other products are more expensive not because of the MLM, but because of the differences in basestock and additives.
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Originally Posted by $$$frumnuttin'
Hey DeeGee...my keyboard doesn't have that 'pound' sign...how do I get one?... Anyway, wouldn't it be way cheaper for you to order oil from the States, and have it shipped over? We pay generally around $30 for a 4 to 6 quarts depending on the source and if a sale is going on....
Here ya go pardner. Since I do IT work, this is easy stuff. Characters used in American keyboards are based on the ASCII character set. A full set is composed of 256 characters. The US keyboard has 128 of those (0-127) and you can get to the other 128 (128-255) by holding the ALT key down and typing in the code # for the extended ASCII character you want. For example, ALT+156 = £, so there's your pound symbol. Other useful ones are ALT+171 (½), ALT+172 (¼) and ALT+167 (º). So in use, you'd get, I bought 1½ litres of gas for £10 and it was 72º outside and ¼ mile from my house. Try it! Hope that helps!!
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 01:02 PM
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i use pennsoil is it just as good
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Subdriver
Yes, they do use a MLM strategy (similar to companies like Snap On, Mary Kay, etc.). As Killian indicates above, AMSOIL was formed by a retired Air Force LtCol who was an F-104 fighter squadron commander. He saw the benefits of synthetics in jet engines and brought that to the automotive industry. I suspect he found it very difficult to get acceptance from the industry for synthetics and was challenged to get his product in stores, so after trying traditional marketing for awhile, he went MLM. It has been successful. Despite offerings from major chains to carry the product, AMSOIL has refused and continues their "mom and pop" type approach. Current AMSOIL policy only allows dealers such as myself to set up accounts with retail outlets that either have chains with 12 stores or less, or that are not corporately owned/managed. So you could see AMSOIL in a Napa store as most of those are independently owned, but not Walmart, Target, etc. I personally don't have the time to approach these types of accounts, though if someone approaches me I easily can (and have) set them up with an account as it can be done online. About 99% of my customers are personal users not local to me.

Some will call this a "pyramid" scheme where the dealers more senior make money off your sales. Partially true, but the scheme is pretty flat. AMSOIL pays a flat total sales commission on a sale (e.g. a quart of oil) that is comparible to the markup of most traditional distribution methods. I started using AMSOIL in my Vette at the beginning of the 2004 season after losing an engine my first year racing in 2003. I became a dealer a few months later. I reached the maximum sales rate two years later - so I, not dealers more senior to me, get the full commission rate. They do not get a piece of my pie. Unlike a typical vision of a MLM company, I do not hold "parties" to sell the product, nor do I attempt to get my friends and family to become customers.

Some will say the markup on a MLM product is higher than traditional marketing, but I have never seen studies to show that is true. As a direct to dealer/customer marketing scheme, AMSOIL has a more simple distribution chain. They have 11 distribution centers located around the country and ship from their plant to most of these distribution centers by train, and from the distribution center direct to the customer by UPS. When someone buys from me, I almost never actually "touch" the product, it is shipped directly from the closest distribution center to them. Not quite as efficient as Walmart, but more efficient than the distribution chain to most stores. I can get AMSOIL's product most comparible to Mobil 1 (the AMSOIL OE Synthetic 5w30 ) direct to the door of most customer less expensively than they can pick it up at most stores... less Walmart. Their other products are more expensive not because of the MLM, but because of the differences in basestock and additives.
Good explanation, thanks.
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What's the price of "petrol" in the UK? My friend from Germany tells me it's some like 1.8eur / liter there, which comes out to ~$7.25 / gallon. About twice as much as I pay.. would definitely not be DDing a 'vette if I was paying that much.
About $8.50 a gallon at the last check
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Originally Posted by $$$frumnuttin'
Hey DeeGee...my keyboard doesn't have that 'pound' sign...how do I get one?... Anyway, wouldn't it be way cheaper for you to order oil from the States, and have it shipped over? We pay generally around $30 for a 4 to 6 quarts depending on the source and if a sale is going on....
MS word and check symbols. Its in there!

I used my last Mobil 1 that came home with me from Vegas on the last oil change. You can't ship oil by air freight but even so, with import tax and handling it doesnt work out much cheaper in the end.
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i use pennsoil is it just as good
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Gosh, I feel like I'm a cheapskate now with oil. I switched from Mobil 1 to Castrol Edge and my lead went down to 1/3. Engine was quieter also.

Now Castrol Edge Titanium does not come in 5 quart containers and is $8.00+ per quart. So, I am going to try Pennzoil Ultra.
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Old Oct 7, 2012 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldvetter
Gosh, I feel like I'm a cheapskate now with oil. I switched from Mobil 1 to Castrol Edge and my lead went down to 1/3. Engine was quieter also.

Now Castrol Edge Titanium does not come in 5 quart containers and is $8.00+ per quart. So, I am going to try Pennzoil Ultra.
I'm going to try Castrol Edge nexrt week when I do my oil change.
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Here ya go pardner. Since I do IT work, this is easy stuff. Characters used in American keyboards are based on the ASCII character set. A full set is composed of 256 characters. The US keyboard has 128 of those (0-127) and you can get to the other 128 (128-255) by holding the ALT key down and typing in the code # for the extended ASCII character you want. For example, ALT+156 = £, so there's your pound symbol. Other useful ones are ALT+171 (½), ALT+172 (¼) and ALT+167 (º). So in use, you'd get, I bought 1½ litres of gas for £10 and it was 72º outside and ¼ mile from my house. Try it! Hope that helps!!
thanks my friend...great information!
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Originally Posted by DeeGee
MS word and check symbols. Its in there!

I used my last Mobil 1 that came home with me from Vegas on the last oil change. You can't ship oil by air freight but even so, with import tax and handling it doesnt work out much cheaper in the end.
How would they know what is in the box? I could say, "car parts"...or "guitar amplifier" It's not like rattlecans where you can hear the little ball bearing rolling around... if you did the transaction with one of us....still think it would be a huge savings for you.
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Originally Posted by DeeGee
About $8.50 a gallon at the last check
It's getting crazy here too, we're not too far behind you.........I just filled up at $4.70 a (US) gallon....that's about $5.87 an Imperial gallon.

4 years ago gas was $1.75 a gallon here!!!!!!!

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i use pennsoil is it just as good
Pennzoil Platinum.....YES!
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Old Oct 8, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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It's getting crazy here too, we're not too far behind you.........I just filled up at $4.70 a (US) gallon....that's about $5.87 an Imperial gallon.

4 years ago gas was $1.75 a gallon here!!!!!!!

Thank you Mr. President!
The President's got nothing t do with it..... It's the GREEDY oil companies !! With all the oil we have here and the ability to buy from other countries OTHER than the Saudi's, our gas prices should NOT be what they are !!

It should be more like Thank you all you GREEDY MOTHER#%*@#s !!
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I'm getting close to needing an oil change as well since the purchase of my C5Z. Previous owner said he used VALVOLINE VR1 SYNTHETIC. However, i kind of want to go with good ol MOBIL 1. How do the 2 compare?
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Originally Posted by Sinister-one
The President's got nothing t do with it..... It's the GREEDY oil companies !! With all the oil we have here and the ability to buy from other countries OTHER than the Saudi's, our gas prices should NOT be what they are !!

It should be more like Thank you all you GREEDY MOTHER#%*@#s !!
Gee, I would have figured someone from Texas would be smarter than that! Greedy oil companies? Try greedy government! They have their hand in your pocket in EVERY concievable way possible. Social security was a good idea but the government turned it into a Ponzi scheme that would make Bernie boy look like an alter boy. Try reading this and learn to like the people and companies that allow you to enjoy your great ride!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...982418536.html
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