"just a minor to take a look see at the car, or in it as well."

I think it's pretty clear what you meant. You said said you would use this minor offense as a reason to look IN the car. I'm sure that if you pulled a car over didn't like the occupants "profile" then you would indeed be asking for consent to search the car.

This is a touchy issue for me as I have had my car searched for no other reason than a hunch. I gave consent because I figured that if I did not cooperate I would be detained and my car towed to a police lot for examination. After two cops riffled through my car for twenty minutes they came up empty and released me with no tickets. They cop told me "I have a feeling about this car". He pulled me over for speeding while I was following directly behind a Motor Home. We were doing 77 in a 70 and he did not stop the speeding land barge.

I think he thought I was a drug runner because I had long hair and was driving an RX7 loaded down with stuff for a weekend at a friends house in the country.

That was not CS as you put it but a gross violation of my constitutional right to privacy. I suggest you be a lot more careful with the words you choose considering your position.

 

:cool:

When I had my vette :( has one of the club members tell me an ideal that at the time sounded like it would work.

3M makes a product that would do wonders. Its called velcro. He made it so that he could switch his plate out with little effort.

So if you are not running your front plate and you get pulled over you can pull the plate out of the car walk to the front pull the front piece off and stick the plate on the car. Then :) at the cop and see if that meets his approval. Then after he pulls away remove the plate and return the car back to its original look :cheers:

 

Rat,
NEVER give permission for a search.......

Always keep the windows up, and lock your doors....

Present your I.D., and insurance papers/registration.

You MUST give verbal consent to a search..........if asked, say ( politely NO).
If the officer insists......then say NO............

At this point, if they DO a search, then your rights have been violated.....a warrant is needed.

They will be in deep caca...........IF they proceed beyond this point.

Most folks think they must ALLOW a search by a LE requseting one........WRONG.
:rolleyes: :mad

 

Yes, the consent is usually coerced from you because if you say no, well you heard of the "going to be here awhile" snickers commercial. They would then proceed to call the drug dog out (might take awhile) go over the outside of your car LOOKING for probable cause to do a search without your permission. Then what would happen if they did find something that you know for a fact wasn't in your car 2 minutes before.
Back on topic: I think if I get a ticket I will probably submit and put one on. I would hate to but it is the law.

 

Thats right Rat, if you have nothing to hide, "just say no" we have video cameras in our cars and audio mic's on our uniform. Everything is recorded now so if you say "no", it's in the record. Seems to me though your just one of those guys who just plain doesnt like cops


[Modified by NJCRUISER, 7:12 PM 8/6/2002]

 

Yea right NJ, I know how many of your breathren react to an uncooperative "NO" reply. You see it as an admission of guilt. As 4cefed said I would have been delayed much longer than 20 minutes. I had nothing to hide and and would have been delayed much longer than 20 minutes had I been uncooperative. The officer made that pretty damn clear when I asked him if he had probable cause. Some call that coercion. It was subtle but that's what it was.

You are right, I don't like cops in general but I do know it's a lot easier to catch flys with sugar than it is with vinegar. I'm typically able to "act" my way out of a lot of tickets by playing the polite guy "yes sir, no sir" with a smile apologetic routine. You would never know I don't like you when you pull me over. :)

But get this straight, if one of your's pull me over on the side of a busy freeway and rip all the contents out of my car on a hunch, I am not going to forget about it EVER.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely".


[Modified by RatRacer, 2:07 PM 8/6/2002]

 

I don't know how it is in Texas, but it doesn't go down like that here in NJ. Youve got issues sport. :blueangel:

 

Not all cops are bad, period. Sometimes they step over the line, but all in all - they are good guys doing a tough job.

LA Cops love video...

D.

 

Sure, I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday. This happens everywhere. As long as there are individuals whom are impowered in positions of authority, there are going to be those that abuse that power. There are bad guys on both side of the badge. Always has been, always will be. In fact, the personality of the typical cop mirrors that of the typical criminal. Fortunately, since the advent of video you guys have really had to clean up your acts. No more Gestapo tactics or you get canned.

Any resentment that I harbor is a direct result of these rogue police officers. I know they exist because I have seen it with my own eyes. I have never been arrested so don't think I have developed this as a result my being on the wrong side of the law because I never have been. I am just a free thinker that calls 'em like I see 'em. Unfortunately, I have seen your dark side.

That's the great part of the internet. I can tell you what I really think without having to worry that the truth will land me in the drunk tank because I pissed you off.


[Modified by RatRacer, 3:06 PM 8/6/2002]

 

I got a ticket in Plano, TX recently for no front plate and finally put my damn!! plate on. Bastards. :mad

 

NJCRUISER,

I see that 2 out of 3 of your Vettes don't wear front plates either. I know you guys just enforce the laws; but, you bear the brunt of those who disagree with it. Laws created to primarily generate revenue through tickets creates bad will. Letter campaigns to politicians, those who make such laws, are generally a naive response and very ineffectual. It would be hoped that those who monitor and enforce such laws could be more instrumental to give good feedback to the law makers. It only serves to make good cops look bad in the eyes of otherwise law abiding citizens making a good cop's job much more difficult.

Having moved from Colorado where the state patrol served more of a income generation role for the state as compared to California where they really seem to be there to help drivers has been a very refreshing change. One generally never has to wait more than a few minutes for help from a CHP if stuck on the side of road. In Colorado, I have been passed by numerous troopers with my hood up when I was stranded on a roadside. Colorado gave me a ticket for no front plates too. Never had a problem in California yet on any of my cars. A simple case of over policing. Realistic laws properly enforced builds a good sense of community. Over policing creates a sad case of disrespect.

I say this as a driver with only 3 speeding tickets in over 750,000 miles. Sorry for venting.

Chuck

 

NJ,
I hate to appear to be "Piling On", but you keep opening the door??

The remarks about mic's & taped, and a person exercising their RIGHTS seems to not sit well with you.......am I reading this correctly??.

It seems that a simple "No", to "May I look in your vehicle" is a tacit admission of guilt........

I can't be right, or am I??.

This attitude is why you are recieving a ration.......

It's all on tape.......it's all recorded, so fricken what??.

Sounds like a veiled or not so veiled threat to me........since when does you ( as an Offficer) being told "NO", mean an American citizen MUST have something to hide??.

Please tell me I am incorrect in these assumptions...........please.

 

See this is how it work's. You give up your personal Constitutional right's so the Police have an easier time catching the bad guy's. The thing that get's me is if you don't go along because of a "principle" you hold very dear, sacred I dare say, you are a bad guy as well and you will be treated as such if you say no.

 

"NJ,
I hate to appear to be "Piling On", but you keep opening the door??
The remarks about mic's & taped, and a person exercising their RIGHTS seems to not sit well with you.......am I reading this correctly??."

What is it about that statement that would lead you to believe peoples rights dont sit well with me, I pointed the tape and mic out to let the Rat know that if we conduct ourselves innapropriately, we would be disciplined immediately for it, therefore disproving his accusations that so many police treat others unfairly for if that were the case, the images of illegal searches and beatings would be seen on television everyday, not once every few months. Of course I do my job to the greater good. If you had read ALL of the posts here you might have realized that. My frustration comes from your unwarranted perceptions of us which are baseless as they apply to law enforcement in general. I can make the same correlations as ratracer about people in his line of work as individuals, but certainly not as a whole. And to make an assumption that I would search a car for a front tag violation by itself is plain ridiculous, there is something called totality of circumstances, and it involves a whole lot more than long hair and a lousy attitude as reasons to search a vehicle. And it's people like this Rat who make assumptions about how we go about our business, not facts, assumptions(whic make a---- outta u and me) that are causing policemen all over this country to think twice about who they are serving and whether the people really care about drug interdiction anymore. And believe me, the drugs are flowing more freely than ever, and when Rats kids are on dope, He'll be the first one to cry about "what is Law enforcemnet doing about this problem!" Did you know that in NJ, you cant ask a driver any question other than directly about the violation he is stopped for? This used to be a legal and well accepted tool for getting probable cause through incriminating statements made by the driver, real criminals hauling huge amounts of narcotics, never just on a perceived notion about driver. Not anymore. Believe me , there are a lot of good cops out there doing the job the right way that suffer now because of a few bad ones, whose bad actions were made out to be much more widespread than they really were, it's called politics, and media sensationalism. Oh well, Ill be around when the pendulum swings back again. This will be my last post to the spammers, of which not all of you are. Oh and one last shot, Ratracer one day I hope you dont kill someone else or yourself with all that highway racing that you post about, try aperformance event like I do at Watkins glen. Funny how your so concerned about others rights, yet you jeopardize them regularly with your careless driving on our public thorofares.
:nono: Back to Vette talk

 

I agree, Instead they like to come on this forum and **** and moan about how the law done them wrong. :nono:

 

So NJCRUISER will stop a motorist on the side of a busy freeway for an offense that he says he has no intention of citing. This puts not only the motorist's life in danger but his own as well. How often have we seen or heard about officers and motorists that have been killed when stopped on the side of the freeway? If he does not find any more significant violations he will let you go. Gee thanks.

I bet NJ makes the motorist feel like it's his lucky day when he lets them go when actually they have been the victim of a random police spot check.

 

Boy NJ, you just opened pandora's box here.

Drug prohibition is sucking this country dry. If it weren't for the criminalization of drugs there would be no black market. There would be no drug kingpins. There would be no DEA. There would be half as many prisons and have as many people on the government payroll managing them. There would be no addict stealing for a $10 rock. Billions of dollars would stay in the US instead of flowing into the hands those that control the cartells south of the border. The war on drugs is a miserable failure and all it has succeded in doing is to create more useless government jobs to suck the taxpayers dry.

If you knew anything about the alcohol prohibition of the 20's you would know that it single handidly created organized crime. You are too blind to see that the drug prohibition is doing the same thing today.

 

Last but not least, my posts have made no assumptions what so ever. They are based on my on personal experiences. I have been the victim of profiling. You will probably say that profiling does not occur but we all know that would be a lie, especially any minorities amoung us. I have also witnessed two police officers choke into unconciousness a suspect who had his hands cuffed behind his back. I could not believe what I was seeing but it was only 10 feet away from me. The reason they did this was because he was complaining that his cuffs were too tight. They laughed as the suspect convulsed on the ground. This was before the age of video tape unfortunately. You probably say that I should have reported this. That would have been like going to the Gestapo to report on two storm troopers that were beating a Jew. This was the early 80's in Texas and you just did not do that if you didn't want to be the object of their abuse.

You also state that the abuses that we have seen on TV are isolated events that have been sensationalized by the media and politicians. That is a lie as well. Last week two area police officers pistol whipped a suspect who was peacefully surrendering after a slow speed car chase. The officers have now been placed on adminstrative leave and are under investigation because the act was videotaped. Another area police officer murdered his wife last week. The video you have in your car was originally installed to aide in the prosecution of any potential suspects. I find it ironic that the tables have turned and this video is now used against the police themselves when they break the law and the confidence of the public they serve.

Oh, and why don't you go ahead and put a plate on the front of your ZO6 so you don't look so much like a hypocrite. It's the law and it kills you credibility here, especially when you state you pull motorists over for the offense.

On another note, you don't have to include your sig in every post you make. It takes up bandwidth and fills the thread up with the same pics. Once per thread is the accepted norm.


[Modified by RatRacer, 12:41 PM 8/7/2002]

 

WHILE I WOULD NOT WANT TO PLACE A PLATE ON THE FRONT OF MY ZO6, ITS NOT THE LAW HERE BUT IS WHERE YOU ARE. AS AN OFFICER THE REASON THE STAE REQUIRES IT IS FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. EXAMPLE: AN OFFICER PULLS BEHIND A STORE AFTER HOURS TO CHECK THE BUSINESS, THERE IS A CAR BACKED UP TO THE DOOR FACING THE OFFICER. HE CANNOT CALL IN THE PLATE TO DISPATCH. IF HE WERE TO BE SHOT OR ABDUCTED, ALL DISPATCH WOULD HAVE IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CAR THE OFFICER GAVE BEFORE EXITING THE PATROL CAR. IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR ALL STATES BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S A SAFTEY THING MAINLY.

AND WHILE MANY OF THE PUBLIC DONT LIKE THE POLICE, WHEN THEY NEED US THEY EXPECT US TO BE RIGHT THERE. IN 17 YEARS , I'VE SAVED 5 LIVES AND ASSISTED MANY OTHERS. SO TAKE IT EASY COMPLAINING ON THE OFFICERS, THERE ARE SOME BAD ONES, BUT MOST ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

 

cop z06, thanks for a level headed explanation for an issue that all Vette lovers toil with.

I believe if it was not for the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality of NJTROOPER, none of this would have gone down. It's unfortunate because it's bad PR for you and all the good cops trying to do the right thing.

I have met some nice cops and some not so nice cops in my day. Some have left me with good things to say about them and their departments while others appeared to be time bombs that left me with the question, who in their right mind would give that guy a gun and a badge. Your basic PR disaster.

Maybe NJCRUISER is a good cop, it's just that he comes across here as 10 feet tall and bulletproof.