I admit defeat.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: Longview WA
Dunno if that is pointed at me, but I'll take it regardless 😎😎😎😎
I really do love my vette, and I've done so much - many of you are right. Why give up?
worst case I'll drive this engine till it blows up. Eat the cost. And put something else in later.
I'm just doin what I can and would really love to not have to stress over the car breaking down on me.
All I can say is I've had some amazing support by you all, Mitch and John at Sounds of Speed Performance in Santa Clara, CA, Rick at RKT performance, and Rick at Synergy Mototorsports.
I really do love my vette, and I've done so much - many of you are right. Why give up?
worst case I'll drive this engine till it blows up. Eat the cost. And put something else in later. I'm just doin what I can and would really love to not have to stress over the car breaking down on me.
All I can say is I've had some amazing support by you all, Mitch and John at Sounds of Speed Performance in Santa Clara, CA, Rick at RKT performance, and Rick at Synergy Mototorsports.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: Longview WA
Well, checked the oil pick up clearance - 5/16th~.
That seems to be within spec, some suggest 1/4 to 3/8?
This time around when we pulled the front cover off it looks like my mechanic nicked the gasket, so he is replacing on his time. Asked him to check the cam retainer plate/gasket. I saw something about the newer plates/gaskets being indented or something?
cutting oil filter open as well.
That seems to be within spec, some suggest 1/4 to 3/8?
This time around when we pulled the front cover off it looks like my mechanic nicked the gasket, so he is replacing on his time. Asked him to check the cam retainer plate/gasket. I saw something about the newer plates/gaskets being indented or something?
cutting oil filter open as well.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: Longview WA
Well guys - next update will probably be when the engine goes **** up.
Checked the retainer plate / seal - no issue.
Used different filter.
Issue persists.
So Far:
Changed weight of oil to 10-40w
Changed oil filter
Checked oil pickup clearance
changed oil pump + oring
Checked valley pan orings (oil towers)
Checked oil sending unit
Removed EOC - issue persisted
Ran engine with extra oil (in case of starvation?)
Puttin her back together and running with it...
Checked the retainer plate / seal - no issue.
Used different filter.
Issue persists.
So Far:
Changed weight of oil to 10-40w
Changed oil filter
Checked oil pickup clearance
changed oil pump + oring
Checked valley pan orings (oil towers)
Checked oil sending unit
Removed EOC - issue persisted
Ran engine with extra oil (in case of starvation?)
Puttin her back together and running with it...
Racer
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 411
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From: Hutto, Texas
One thing that I didn't see mentioned, and may or may not be a possible cause of this issue, is there a windage tray in the oil pan? If not the spinning of the crank could be churning and aerating the oil in the pan, which could cause a pressure drop if the pick up tube is getting air bubbles.
Again, just a thought. Hope you get it all figured out, and that your motor lasts for a long time.
Again, just a thought. Hope you get it all figured out, and that your motor lasts for a long time.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 336
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From: Longview WA
One thing that I didn't see mentioned, and may or may not be a possible cause of this issue, is there a windage tray in the oil pan? If not the spinning of the crank could be churning and aerating the oil in the pan, which could cause a pressure drop if the pick up tube is getting air bubbles.
Again, just a thought. Hope you get it all figured out, and that your motor lasts for a long time.
Again, just a thought. Hope you get it all figured out, and that your motor lasts for a long time.
Given the specific scenario (car is not moving) the oil would be sitting very level and if the crank is bathed in oil - it will be still with the tray regardless. We do not see frothing on the dipstick when pulled after a high rev.
Although - its a possibility I guess.
I do have a MAST tray i'll be putting on at some point, just need to have funds to drop the pan and put it on.
Racer
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: Hutto, Texas
There is no windage tray in the engine currently.
Given the specific scenario (car is not moving) the oil would be sitting very level and if the crank is bathed in oil - it will be still with the tray regardless. We do not see frothing on the dipstick when pulled after a high rev.
Although - its a possibility I guess. I do have a MAST tray i'll be putting on at some point, just need to have funds to drop the pan and put it on.
Given the specific scenario (car is not moving) the oil would be sitting very level and if the crank is bathed in oil - it will be still with the tray regardless. We do not see frothing on the dipstick when pulled after a high rev.
Although - its a possibility I guess.
I do have a MAST tray i'll be putting on at some point, just need to have funds to drop the pan and put it on.I always thought that the oil level in the batwing pan was not high enough to bathe the crank.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: Longview WA
The windage tray makes a huge difference, in more ways than one. Keeps the oil in the pan away from the crank, thus helping to reduce possible drag and aeration from the crank counterweights splashing into the oil. Also helps a little with baffling the oil under hard cornering.
I always thought that the oil level in the batwing pan was not high enough to bathe the crank.
I always thought that the oil level in the batwing pan was not high enough to bathe the crank.
I am not disagreeing with the use of the windage tray - it really is the only issue I've had with my mechanic - he should have told me the orig did not fit before installing the motor. However they have done all other things top notch.
I simply do not believe the windage try is a resolution the the issue at hand.
Burning Brakes
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I am not disagreeing with the use of the windage tray - it really is the only issue I've had with my mechanic - he should have told me the orig did not fit before installing the motor. However they have done all other things top notch.
I simply do not believe the windage try is a resolution the the issue at hand.
I simply do not believe the windage try is a resolution the the issue at hand.
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Racer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 336
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From: Longview WA
All,
Sorry for the resurrection, but if this is found via search would like others to know how I solved the problem.
The oil passage plug/barbell was installed backwards.
It was caught totally by mistake, I just wanted to upgrade to the new billet barbell and my shop notified me the original was backwards.
Highly recommend avoiding Hinson motorsports... spent near 13k for the motor, and had to spend over 5k troubleshooting it... and he wont take any responsibility.
-incorrect timing gear installed
-reversed oil barbell
Good luck to ya'll.
Sorry for the resurrection, but if this is found via search would like others to know how I solved the problem.
The oil passage plug/barbell was installed backwards.
It was caught totally by mistake, I just wanted to upgrade to the new billet barbell and my shop notified me the original was backwards.
Highly recommend avoiding Hinson motorsports... spent near 13k for the motor, and had to spend over 5k troubleshooting it... and he wont take any responsibility.
-incorrect timing gear installed
-reversed oil barbell
Good luck to ya'll.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 120
"The oil passage plug/barbell was installed backwards."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is some ztoopid zchit. I don't think I could have done that, unless I was working blindfolded.
Glad you finally got it sorted. Thanks for sharing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is some ztoopid zchit. I don't think I could have done that, unless I was working blindfolded.
Glad you finally got it sorted. Thanks for sharing.
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All,
Sorry for the resurrection, but if this is found via search would like others to know how I solved the problem.
The oil passage plug/barbell was installed backwards.
It was caught totally by mistake, I just wanted to upgrade to the new billet barbell and my shop notified me the original was backwards.
Highly recommend avoiding Hinson motorsports... spent near 13k for the motor, and had to spend over 5k troubleshooting it... and he wont take any responsibility.
-incorrect timing gear installed
-reversed oil barbell
Good luck to ya'll.
Sorry for the resurrection, but if this is found via search would like others to know how I solved the problem.
The oil passage plug/barbell was installed backwards.
It was caught totally by mistake, I just wanted to upgrade to the new billet barbell and my shop notified me the original was backwards.
Highly recommend avoiding Hinson motorsports... spent near 13k for the motor, and had to spend over 5k troubleshooting it... and he wont take any responsibility.
-incorrect timing gear installed
-reversed oil barbell
Good luck to ya'll.
Race Director
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,874
Likes: 263
From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
your last post was 1/2017.....did it take this long to get it all sorted out or have you been enjoying it for a while and just wanted to update the thread?
i am glad its fixed for you
i am glad its fixed for you
Melting Slicks
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Atlanta GA
Hey all,
I guess I am a bit emotional, and I apologize for the complaining. Guess it feels better letting out to a crowd that probably understands more than those that tell me it's just a car.
Anyways. I've reached the end of my rope (financially) with the vette, honestly I've went past that and some more... I can't afford another removal/install of my engine. Best case scenario, the engine builder will step up and cover my labor costs relating to the engine issues... and fix the engine. That is unlikely, and I probably will get a refund on the block and sell the chassis.
After six months of problems, stress, and more... I never even got to enjoy it. I hope for this major failure - others have enjoyed massive success.
It really is more than a car to me, but I can't risk financial ruin for it. I believe I tried to do everything right, and it still fell apart.
Tomorrow I'll know the final verdict from the builder.
What would you guys do?
I guess I am a bit emotional, and I apologize for the complaining. Guess it feels better letting out to a crowd that probably understands more than those that tell me it's just a car.
Anyways. I've reached the end of my rope (financially) with the vette, honestly I've went past that and some more... I can't afford another removal/install of my engine. Best case scenario, the engine builder will step up and cover my labor costs relating to the engine issues... and fix the engine. That is unlikely, and I probably will get a refund on the block and sell the chassis.
After six months of problems, stress, and more... I never even got to enjoy it. I hope for this major failure - others have enjoyed massive success.
It really is more than a car to me, but I can't risk financial ruin for it. I believe I tried to do everything right, and it still fell apart.
Tomorrow I'll know the final verdict from the builder.
What would you guys do?
Race Director
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,874
Likes: 263
From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
Melting Slicks
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Atlanta GA