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well we learn something new every day.
For those skeptics, here are more results(this time on my vette) showing that expensive detail products are not necessary.
Same products and methods i used on my pickup.
No buffing machine, just good ole hand rubbing.
I had a good Vette buddy / neighbor who passed away a couple of years ago. He had a NCRS Gold winner 86 C4. He was a die hard Zaino user. When he told me how much it costs I almost fell over. He always tried to get me to use the stuff but somehow I just couldn't see myself dropping that kind of money on a wax. But I have to admit, his car did look showroom new every time I walked into his garage.
"PS... do you have any suggestions on alternative methods for gas? Premium is far too expensive and I'm sure there's something else that will give just as good results without paying that crazy high price."
I believe the alternative is called electric, or hybrid vehicles.
I use Zaino. It's more expensive but it will last 3-4x longer than your archaic paste wax. That's the logic. I don't have time to wax my car every week or two so I choose a product that requires less maintenance. It also doesn't leave behind the white residue in all the cracks and crevices. It is also easier to apply and remove than a paste wax.
That said, good for you. You choose to use an archaic product that works. There's nothing wrong with that; however, some of us have chosen to use newer, and better, products. You may not think what we use is worth it but that's your opinion. It doesn't make you any more right or wrong than the next person.
I have used Liquid Glass, Turtle Wax Paste in the green can, Zymol, and various Meguire's products. I have stuck with Zaino for over 15 years now because IMO it lasts the longest out of any of the aforementioned products and is much easier to apply/remove.
If when using a paste wax, if you are leaving powdery residue in the cracks, you are not doing the job correctly.
What proof do you have that zaino last longer than turtle wax?
That would take scientific study, which I am sure you have no knowledge of.
I wax twice a year, whether it needs it or not.
It has often been said, "The proof is in the pudding".
I use both my vehicles every day,and not a day goes by that someone doesn't stop to compliment what ever vehicle I am using at the time.
The comments usually range from, "nice ride man", to "damm that is beautiful."
Yesterday at the gas station, a guy walked over to me and stood there looking at the Vette.
First words out of his mouth, "man that has to be the sharpest looking Vette I have ever seen."
Something I have noticed lately is when stopped at a traffic light, the person behind me is taking a picture of my Vette.
I have seen some taking a picture of it when I am coming out of a store.
It undoubtedly is the mirror like finish that is attracting them.
Some have asked what I use to make it look so shiny.
I usually answer, "dedication".
If when using a paste wax, if you are leaving powdery residue in the cracks, you are not doing the job correctly.
What proof do you have that zaino last longer than turtle wax?
That would take scientific study, which I am sure you have no knowledge of.
I wax twice a year, whether it needs it or not.
It has often been said, "The proof is in the pudding".
I use both my vehicles every day,and not a day goes by that someone doesn't stop to compliment what ever vehicle I am using at the time.
The comments usually range from, "nice ride man", to "damm that is beautiful."
Yesterday at the gas station, a guy walked over to me and stood there looking at the Vette.
First words out of his mouth, "man that has to be the sharpest looking Vette I have ever seen."
Something I have noticed lately is when stopped at a traffic light, the person behind me is taking a picture of my Vette.
I have seen some taking a picture of it when I am coming out of a store.
It undoubtedly is the mirror like finish that is attracting them.
Some have asked what I use to make it look so shiny.
I usually answer, "dedication".
I've used a ton of different waxes and to be honest collinite #845 is my favorite.
My car has had some swirls since I got it. I could afford to do a full correction but it's hard to justify it since right now it lives outside. The 845 is super easy to use and it always beads great.
I've used a ton of different waxes and to be honest collinite #845 is my favorite.
My car has had some swirls since I got it. I could afford to do a full correction but it's hard to justify it since right now it lives outside. The 845 is super easy to use and it always beads great.
Collinite #845 is one of the longest lasting waxes in the industry. My torch red Vette loves this stuff! Fantastic shine, long lasting, easy to apply.
I have often wondered why people have such a love affair with those high priced detailing products.
Taking the fourth picture down from the top, I will use that one to compare with my pickup right front fender.
I used plumber's putty as my clay bar, and followed up with good old( inexpensive) turtle wax in the green can.
The results are every bit as good, if not better than what you get with those designer, expensive detailing products.
Could never understand the logic behind using those products, when one can get the same results, while saving some bucks along the way.
Bob.
Because the next time you wash your vehicle that Turtle Wax will be gone. It doesn't last for crap...
Last edited by grampi50; Apr 22, 2017 at 08:12 AM.
I've used a ton of different waxes and to be honest collinite #845 is my favorite.
My car has had some swirls since I got it. I could afford to do a full correction but it's hard to justify it since right now it lives outside. The 845 is super easy to use and it always beads great.
845 is what I use and I love it. Lasts AT LEAST 6 months...and anyone who asks "what proof do you have that the expensive brands last longer" clearly has no idea what they're talking about...
If when using a paste wax, if you are leaving powdery residue in the cracks, you are not doing the job correctly.
What proof do you have that zaino last longer than turtle wax?
That would take scientific study, which I am sure you have no knowledge of.
I wax twice a year, whether it needs it or not.
It has often been said, "The proof is in the pudding".
I use both my vehicles every day,and not a day goes by that someone doesn't stop to compliment what ever vehicle I am using at the time.
The comments usually range from, "nice ride man", to "damm that is beautiful."
Yesterday at the gas station, a guy walked over to me and stood there looking at the Vette.
First words out of his mouth, "man that has to be the sharpest looking Vette I have ever seen."
Something I have noticed lately is when stopped at a traffic light, the person behind me is taking a picture of my Vette.
I have seen some taking a picture of it when I am coming out of a store.
It undoubtedly is the mirror like finish that is attracting them.
Some have asked what I use to make it look so shiny.
I usually answer, "dedication".
Bob.
I have no scientific proof, only personal experience. Nothing I have used lasts as long as Zaino.
"Best in Class" honors in the synthetic wax category were awarded to Zaino
Brothers Show Car Polish. This product achieved the highest overall score,
one of only a handful to receive an overall grade of "B" or better. The test
results indicate Zaino offers outstanding shine with unbeatable long lasting
protectio
This was from 2002 and I'm sure there are other's that have come along since then. But Zaino was one of the highest rated out of 46 products tested.
Originally Posted by SG Lou
I had a good Vette buddy / neighbor who passed away a couple of years ago. He had a NCRS Gold winner 86 C4. He was a die hard Zaino user. When he told me how much it costs I almost fell over. He always tried to get me to use the stuff but somehow I just couldn't see myself dropping that kind of money on a wax. But I have to admit, his car did look showroom new every time I walked into his garage.
The initial cost is a little high since you want to get the ZFX kit but the Z-2 polish is only $16. That's not outrageous by any means. One bottle of Z-2 can easily last 2+ years. I used to put 7-8 coats on at a time back in the day but now I do one to three coats every month or two. The thing with Zaino is less is more so you don't need a lot of product. Their tire shine is phenomenal as well. I applied it last fall and have washed the car 2-3 times and while it's not as "fresh" it still looks decent.
This was from 2002 and I'm sure there are other's that have come along since then. But Zaino was one of the highest rated out of 46 products tested.
The initial cost is a little high since you want to get the ZFX kit but the Z-2 polish is only $16. That's not outrageous by any means. One bottle of Z-2 can easily last 2+ years. I used to put 7-8 coats on at a time back in the day but now I do one to three coats every month or two. The thing with Zaino is less is more so you don't need a lot of product. Their tire shine is phenomenal as well. I applied it last fall and have washed the car 2-3 times and while it's not as "fresh" it still looks decent.
I used to use Zaino back when they still had the two step process, and I used to get a year out of that stuff. Haven't used it years now, but Collinite 845 and 476 are close in terms of longevity. I know for certain Collinite still beads after 6 months, so it would probably go longer, but it's so easy to use, I apply it every 6 months just cuz I enjoy doing it. But technically, Zaino is/was still the longest lasting wax I've ever used...
I used to use Zaino back when they still had the two step process, and I used to get a year out of that stuff. Haven't used it years now, but Collinite 845 and 476 are close in terms of longevity. I know for certain Collinite still beads after 6 months, so it would probably go longer, but it's so easy to use, I apply it every 6 months just cuz I enjoy doing it. But technically, Zaino is/was still the longest lasting wax I've ever used...
Not gonna lie that beading action the Collinite has piqued my interest.
Last edited by Macleod52; Apr 22, 2017 at 02:30 PM.
Because the next time you wash your vehicle that Turtle Wax will be gone. It doesn't last for crap...
None of my vehicles for the last fifty years have had a traditional washing with soap.
Once they have a good coat of wax, hose down, then wipe dry, and that's it.
Soap eats wax, and any other product you put on the finish.
NEVER,EVER use soap on a vehicle body, except before claying the body.
That is when you want the soap to strip wax, and contaminants.
Once again, I will put my two vehicles up against any that are subject to what I call the designer products that are overly priced.
If one likes spending money foolishly, then that is one's own business.
I just don't see the need to spend my hard earned money stupidly.
None of my vehicles for the last fifty years have had a traditional washing with soap.
Once they have a good coat of wax, hose down, then wipe dry, and that's it.
Soap eats wax, and any other product you put on the finish.
NEVER,EVER use soap on a vehicle body, except before claying the body.
That is when you want the soap to strip wax, and contaminants.
Once again, I will put my two vehicles up against any that are subject to what I call the designer products that are overly priced.
If one likes spending money foolishly, then that is one's own business.
I just don't see the need to spend my hard earned money stupidly.
Bob.
You can use whatever cleaner you like, but if you're using Turtle Wax, anything you use will take it off in one cleaning. If there's any shine or beading after you clean, it's from the cleaner, not the Turtle Wax. I've been detailing cars for decades and I can tell you from experience Turtle Wax doesn't last...it looks good, but I don't feel like waxing my car every time it gets cleaned...Collinite, Zaino, Duragloss, and Klasse all make waxes (they're actually more like sealants) that will last at least 6 months...Turtle Wax won't do that...
You can use whatever cleaner you like, but if you're using Turtle Wax, anything you use will take it off in one cleaning. If there's any shine or beading after you clean, it's from the cleaner, not the Turtle Wax. I've been detailing cars for decades and I can tell you from experience Turtle Wax doesn't last...it looks good, but I don't feel like waxing my car every time it gets cleaned...Collinite, Zaino, Duragloss, and Klasse all make waxes (they're actually more like sealants) that will last at least 6 months...Turtle Wax won't do that...
You say you have been detailing for decades.
That could mean 20 years or so.
I have been detailing my vehicles before you were a gleam in your daddy'e eye, and pretty sure, while you were still sh!tt!n your diapers.
I think I am a pretty good judge of the properties of turtle wax.
Again, I NEVER use any kind of soap to clean my vehicles.
The coat of wax last as long as any product you may be using.
After 6 months, the water still just slides off the finish, because the surface is still slick from the wax.
That is the sign of a good wax product.
If after washing, your vehicle "beads", what that tells me is, there is not enough wax on the finish to allow the water to slide of the body.
A good example of that is the couple of pictures above.
The hood of that car is completely covered with water beads.
That is an indication that the finish is holding the water , rather than allowing it to slide off the finish.
Kinda like the old dish washer commercials where without using "cascade", the glasses were spotted, and using it, they came out spotless.
Whatever was in cascade, allowed the water to slide off the glass, instead of just sitting there.
Same principal here with auto products.
If the wax is applied properly, water will not bead, it will slide off the finish.
Problem with water beading is, rain also beads, and ugly water spots are all that remain, and they are an absolute bitch to remove.
There isn't much you can tell me about vehicle detailing, that I don't already know, or have experienced.
Stay with your zaino, chadwicks, 809, or 908, or whatever.
Through experience, I know what works, and will continue to use what it is I use, and along the way, save some bucks.
Everyone uses and buys wtf they want to use/buy. It's a free choice. I see no need to say were "silly" or "stupid".
If you want to use a wax designed 20 years ago, and plumber's putty feel free. No one has called you an antiquated tight-wad. Get my point?
I never said anyone was stupid, or silly.
What I said(if you read my post) was, I think it is "stupid", and "silly" to pay for higher priced products, if one can get the same results with a less expensive product.
It might be a great idea if you remember to make sure the brain is in gear before putting the mouth in motion.
