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I never said anyone was stupid, or silly.
What I said(if you read my post) was, I think it is "stupid", and "silly" to pay for higher priced products, if one can get the same results with a less expensive product.
It might be a great idea if you remember to make sure the brain is in gear before putting the mouth in motion.
Bob.
Play your semantic games. Your tonal intent was obvious. Calling our actions stupid is no better. It's my money and not your business to critique how much or little I spend. Don't be a passive aggressive douche.
Bob reminds me of the legions of jokers who think NuFinish is the greatest car care product ever devised...never mind that it makes the paint look like plastic, or heaven forbid you get it on anything you don't want it on as it stains and is difficult, if not impossible to get off....you can't tell them anything either...
Play your semantic games. Your tonal intent was obvious. Calling our actions stupid is no better. It's my money and not your business to critique how much or little I spend. Don't be a passive aggressive douche.
Actually there is no reason to get into a pissin match with you, I know what I said, and I certainly know what I meant.
If you want to spend whatever money you have foolishly, that is your business.
My only intention was to give a heads up to those who may not be aware a less expensive products works every bit as well as a more expensive one, therefore saving someone some money.
As I said earlier, just because something is higher priced, does not mean it is any better than a less expensive product.
Bob reminds me of the legions of jokers who think NuFinish is the greatest car care product ever devised...never mind that it makes the paint look like plastic, or heaven forbid you get it on anything you don't want it on as it stains and is difficult, if not impossible to get off....you can't tell them anything either...
At the risk of repeating myself, as I told "blue" above, I don't intend to get into a pissin match with you, or any one else.
I know what works when it comes to detailing, and that is all anyone needs to know.
If you too, want to spend your money on a particular product, that is your business, but I'M telling you that isn't necessary, when you can achieve the same results with a less expensive product.
So with that, do what you want.
That picture is taken after a nice light misting rain. Water sheets right off with a hose or a heavier rain. Beading isn't indicative of the surface holding onto water, I could literally blow that water off with my breath and it would slide off. here is some sheeting with the same wax I use. I love the way water beading looks, I wouldn't use a product that didn't bead water.
You say you have been detailing for decades.
That could mean 20 years or so.
I have been detailing my vehicles before you were a gleam in your daddy'e eye, and pretty sure, while you were still sh!tt!n your diapers.
I think I am a pretty good judge of the properties of turtle wax.
Again, I NEVER use any kind of soap to clean my vehicles.
The coat of wax last as long as any product you may be using.
After 6 months, the water still just slides off the finish, because the surface is still slick from the wax.
That is the sign of a good wax product.
If after washing, your vehicle "beads", what that tells me is, there is not enough wax on the finish to allow the water to slide of the body.
A good example of that is the couple of pictures above.
The hood of that car is completely covered with water beads.
That is an indication that the finish is holding the water , rather than allowing it to slide off the finish.
Kinda like the old dish washer commercials where without using "cascade", the glasses were spotted, and using it, they came out spotless.
Whatever was in cascade, allowed the water to slide off the glass, instead of just sitting there.
Same principal here with auto products.
If the wax is applied properly, water will not bead, it will slide off the finish.
Problem with water beading is, rain also beads, and ugly water spots are all that remain, and they are an absolute bitch to remove.
There isn't much you can tell me about vehicle detailing, that I don't already know, or have experienced.
Stay with your zaino, chadwicks, 809, or 908, or whatever.
Through experience, I know what works, and will continue to use what it is I use, and along the way, save some bucks.
That picture is taken after a nice light misting rain. Water sheets right off with a hose or a heavier rain. Beading isn't indicative of the surface holding onto water, I could literally blow that water off with my breath and it would slide off. here is some sheeting with the same wax I use. I love the way water beading looks, I wouldn't use a product that didn't bead water.
Owned my car for 14 years. I tried all sorts of "premium" polishes, and a couple of waxes. My buddy uses Zaino on his show car, so I tried his. One winter weekend in my garage, I went trough the whole clay bar/wash/Z5 (four coats) Z2 w/ZFX; three coats. Every step, the car looked better than the last, which I thought was impossible. I'm a Zaino user for life. It goes a long way, and lasts well over three years on a garaged black car. For its longevity and tiny amount needed, I think it's pretty reasonably priced.
So you have shown us that the water flows off the finish like it is supposed too.
It does the same on my vehicles, so does that make your more expensive product any better than what I use?
I think not.
Bob.
collinite costs like $15 for a 16-20 ounce (can't remember how big it actually is) tube. I've also used my personal bottle about 6 times on my car and 3 times on other cars and still have a ton left because you use so little with each application. Dollar spent for # of applications this is dirt cheap and much easier than turtle wax to use. Yes, I have used both. The turtle wax isn't nearly as easy to use, I would pay $30 for a bottle of collinite just for its ease alone.
Sure, turtle wax works. It takes me much longer to use it though and since my car sits in UV rays 365 days a year, I wanted something that I could apply to upward facing surfaces in 10-15 minutes. Turtle wax simply isn't better than any other cheap wax, and definitely not better than the expensive waxes.
Find me a single pro who uses turtle wax and we'll talk. Until then don't forget to pick up some more supertech oil while you're in Walmart getting your turtle wax.
collinite costs like $15 for a 16-20 ounce (can't remember how big it actually is) tube. I've also used my personal bottle about 6 times on my car and 3 times on other cars and still have a ton left because you use so little with each application. Dollar spent for # of applications this is dirt cheap and much easier than turtle wax to use. Yes, I have used both. The turtle wax isn't nearly as easy to use, I would pay $30 for a bottle of collinite just for its ease alone.
Sure, turtle wax works. It takes me much longer to use it though and since my car sits in UV rays 365 days a year, I wanted something that I could apply to upward facing surfaces in 10-15 minutes. Turtle wax simply isn't better than any other cheap wax, and definitely not better than the expensive waxes.
Find me a single pro who uses turtle wax and we'll talk. Until then don't forget to pick up some more supertech oil while you're in Walmart getting your turtle wax.
Owned my car for 14 years. I tried all sorts of "premium" polishes, and a couple of waxes. My buddy uses Zaino on his show car, so I tried his. One winter weekend in my garage, I went trough the whole clay bar/wash/Z5 (four coats) Z2 w/ZFX; three coats. Every step, the car looked better than the last, which I thought was impossible. I'm a Zaino user for life. It goes a long way, and lasts well over three years on a garaged black car. For its longevity and tiny amount needed, I think it's pretty reasonably priced.
I race my vette and beat it all to hell. I started using Zaino after Bill
aka Evil Twin suggest I try it. It has looked great with many, many
Concourse and Show trophy's . I still race but sometimes I am
accused of bring a show car to the track! That's before I start to
turn a wheel.
Thanks Bill for the advice. You have to try them all before you settle
on something you like.
My only reason is so people like you can question why I chose a particular product, to use for my my own personal needs. I'm not sure why what someone else does should be concern of yours, or any one else's for that matter. Good for you that you decided to use plumbers putty and a paste wax out of a can. Good to see you had good results and you're happy with them too. I decided not to use traditional (and unconventional materials) for my needs. I've traveled down that road before with the old wax on, wax off, all day long, blah blah blah. I was never able to get the results I've wanted. Hell, I've even used my old Dewalt buffer and various pads with other waxes, cleaners, polishes, etc. I asked around the various forums about what people use, for the best results to correct paint blemishes and get that deep shine. Oddly enough, not one person mentioned plumbers putty and/or paste wax from a can. Maybe after these products are gone, I will reach out to you as to what I should use next.
PS... do you have any suggestions on alternative methods for gas? Premium is far too expensive and I'm sure there's something else that will give just as good results without paying that crazy high price.
That was one heck of an emotional response. Chill man. He was offering logical alternatives for the MANY people on here.
If after washing, your vehicle "beads", what that tells me is, there is not enough wax on the finish to allow the water to slide of the body.
A good example of that is the couple of pictures above.
The hood of that car is completely covered with water beads.
That is an indication that the finish is holding the water , rather than allowing it to slide off the finish.
Bob.
Everything else aside, you, sir, clearly do not understand how wax works.
Everything else aside, you, sir, clearly do not understand how wax works.
One look at both of my vehicles says just the opposite.
Go back and look at them.
You will see that I sir, know a great deal about detailing products, and how to use them correctly.
The only vehicle I have seen on this forum, that appears to have a clear finish close, if not better than mine is the Vette owned by Eviltwin.
That sir is pure dedication plain and simple.
I have yet to see one vehicle on this forum that had Zaino, or Chadwicks applied that has anything close to the mirror like finish on both my vehicles, especially my pickup.
I believe I am old enough, to state with some clarity, I've forgotten more than you, or most people will ever know about detailing vehicles.
I didn't just jump off the turnip truck.
I would venture a guess I have been detailing vehicles, long before you were born.
One look at both of my vehicles says just the opposite.
Go back and look at them.
You will see that I sir, know a great deal about detailing products, and how to use them correctly.
The only vehicle I have seen on this forum, that appears to have a clear finish close, if not better than mine is the Vette owned by Eviltwin.
That sir is pure dedication plain and simple.
I have yet to see one vehicle on this forum that had Zaino, or Chadwicks applied that has anything close to the mirror like finish on both my vehicles, especially my pickup.
I believe I am old enough, to state with some clarity, I've forgotten more than you, or most people will ever know about detailing vehicles.
I didn't just jump off the turnip truck.
I would venture a guess I have been detailing vehicles, long before you were born.
Bob.
Really ??? dark colors show shine more than light, I believe mine shine as good or better than most !!!!! (Chadwick's) !!!
This morning's pic. Chadwick'd my '99 triple black over the weekend, for the first time, also using their paint correction. Saturday I went to a local dyno day, in the rain. Got some tractor trailer spray on the highway, regular spray from driving and other cars too. Chadwick'd it last night and took all of about 15 minutes, in my garage, at 9 pm. I'm a believer. I'm sure there are other similar products available, but I'll stick with this stuff. Oh, and plenty of the guys at the dyno day commented on my paint and finish, even after the rainy drive in.
Before:
First time with paint correction:
This morning after a quick spray and wipe:
Do as you wish, because I am! I know what my results are and I know how much time I had to invest to get this result. My time is important to me and I don't have as much as I'd like to spend doing what I want to do. If I can use something that costs a little more but saves me time to spend doing other things (with my family), then I'm all for it. My way is no better than any other way. It works for me, gives me the results I want and doesn't consume too much time.
