"Pull key, wait 10 sec" after GM recall
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"Pull key, wait 10 sec" after GM recall
Hello,
I have a 98 coupe that I had a local dealer perform the GM column lock recall last fall just before I put the car up for the winter. I noticed after the recall that I now have the display that says "pull key wait 10 seconds". How can I clear this? Should this happen after the factory recall? I asked the service manager but to be truthful, he dosen't seem to know much, said something like "that happens after the recall is performed". Doesn't seem right to me, but want to check before I go back.
Thanks,
Klammer
I have a 98 coupe that I had a local dealer perform the GM column lock recall last fall just before I put the car up for the winter. I noticed after the recall that I now have the display that says "pull key wait 10 seconds". How can I clear this? Should this happen after the factory recall? I asked the service manager but to be truthful, he dosen't seem to know much, said something like "that happens after the recall is performed". Doesn't seem right to me, but want to check before I go back.
Thanks,
Klammer
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Did you disconnect or replace the battery this winter? Mine did this after reconnecting the battery for the first time. I ended up replacing the dead battery and have not seen the 10 second message since. BTW the recall is worthless if u have an M6.
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The battery was new last year. I have charged it and it took a charge fine. Why would the battery getting low have anything to do with triggering the "wait 10 seconds pull key" message?? Now that the battery is at full charge, the message is still displayed. Is there any way to clear this and could the message be the result of something the tech did while doing the recall?
Thanks,
Klammer
Thanks,
Klammer
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I am assuming that reset isn't clearing it, which if I am correct indicates that the ignition switch is having difficultly sensing the resistance value of the key. A few things to try - clean off the key shaft so the contacts to the resistor are clean. A second thing to try is if you have a second key, see if it acts differently. You may have an ignition switch that is going south on you, check for any codes that are being thrown.
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Originally Posted by klammer76
I had the GM recall done, so I don't need the CLB. The car is an A4. My question is: how can I clear the pull key message???
Klammer
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Your wheel will never lock - true. But if your CL plunger malfunctions and gets stuck out, your computer will still leave you stranded, as it doesn't know your column lacks the ring gear, and assumes you can't turn the wheel, so the fuel gets cut off. The CLB is actually an emulator - it tells the ecm that the CL is operational and working properly, this way the CL is totally taken out of the loop, and the computer will never get a code should the CL get stuck in the out position. It's all very technical!
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
Your wheel will never lock - true. But if your CL plunger malfunctions and gets stuck out, your computer will still leave you stranded, as it doesn't know your column lacks the ring gear, and assumes you can't turn the wheel, so the fuel gets cut off.
I put this same kit on my 04 Z06 and it works on 6-speed cars too.
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Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
The recall on the automatics should have removed the lockplate AND installed the wiring harness to keep the BCM satisfied even if the actuator fails.
I put this same kit on my 04 Z06 and it works on 6-speed cars too.
I put this same kit on my 04 Z06 and it works on 6-speed cars too.
If that is so, then you're golden!
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Originally Posted by klammer76
The battery was new last year. I have charged it and it took a charge fine. Why would the battery getting low have anything to do with triggering the "wait 10 seconds pull key" message?? Now that the battery is at full charge, the message is still displayed. Is there any way to clear this and could the message be the result of something the tech did while doing the recall?
Thanks,
Klammer
Thanks,
Klammer
First off, though, tell us if you can drive with the message. Oh, and the dealer is full of @$#t.....it won't give you any error messages after the recall (ugh, I hate incompetent mechanics/service advisors
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your BCM is confused; probably from re-connecting your battery. Go to the instrument fuse panel under the passenger footwell and pull fuse 25, wait 15 seconds and then re-install it. This should reset your BCM unit and eliminate the error message. FYI, read the sticky at top of tech section for more info. Good Luck.
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Hello all,
I was finally able to try my car today. It will start, but does shut off after I try to move it. I tried pulling fuse 25 and reinstalling it & it made no difference. The security (Yellow) idiot light flashes, & when I start the car, the "service column lock" appears then the pull key wait 10 seconds. I have cleaned both keys to no avail. I dug out the invoice from the dealer recall. It lists part # 89023816 with the description - harness K 2.195. This was done last Sept. The car did run after the recall was done and it looks like we put approx 700 miles on it before putting it up in October. Just before I put it up, I started noticing the service column lock message but never had a chance to drive it again. The battery is fully charged. When I turn the key on, I do hear a sound, I assume it is the fuel pump activating. I still feel that this problem has something to do with the recall that I had performed regarding the column lock at the dealer. Any thoughts from any tech's here before I return to the dealer monday morning? I never had a problem with this car or the column lock issue prior to taking it in for the recall. The car is a 98 coupe A4.
Klammer
I was finally able to try my car today. It will start, but does shut off after I try to move it. I tried pulling fuse 25 and reinstalling it & it made no difference. The security (Yellow) idiot light flashes, & when I start the car, the "service column lock" appears then the pull key wait 10 seconds. I have cleaned both keys to no avail. I dug out the invoice from the dealer recall. It lists part # 89023816 with the description - harness K 2.195. This was done last Sept. The car did run after the recall was done and it looks like we put approx 700 miles on it before putting it up in October. Just before I put it up, I started noticing the service column lock message but never had a chance to drive it again. The battery is fully charged. When I turn the key on, I do hear a sound, I assume it is the fuel pump activating. I still feel that this problem has something to do with the recall that I had performed regarding the column lock at the dealer. Any thoughts from any tech's here before I return to the dealer monday morning? I never had a problem with this car or the column lock issue prior to taking it in for the recall. The car is a 98 coupe A4.
Klammer
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Did you buy this car new? If not, are you sure it doesn't have a CLB installed? When the tech installed my Harness K, he plugged it into my CLB and I continued to get the 'Pull Key' message until I figured out what he had done. I've never seen one as persistent as yours though.
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No we didn't buy the car new. Where would I look to see if it had a CLB installed? I assumed if it did have one, that they would have removed it when performing the recall. Tell me where to look & I'll check.
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Originally Posted by klammer76
No we didn't buy the car new. Where would I look to see if it had a CLB installed? I assumed if it did have one, that they would have removed it when performing the recall. Tell me where to look & I'll check.
Klammer
Klammer
The link to how to find the CLB is in the sticky on Column Lock Bypass FAQ at the top of this forum.
http://97vette.com/howto/columnlock/index.html
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TEXHAWKO, Quasar99 & all,
I removed the lower knee panel. I located the orang, black, green & purple wires. There is a white plastic box wraped in grey foam with the word TYCO on it off to the left side under the dash. There are two connectors that come out of this TYCO box and are plugged into the original connectors with the orange,green,black & purple wires. There is a white sticker on the plastic wire loom of the TYCO box that has the #5042. Is the TYCO box part of the harness K that should have been installed or is that a CLB? I also looked up the service procedure for my car via the sticky. On my bill, it says that the FP - Number for the harness K 2.195 is 89023816. I take it that is the part number? In the service bulletin, it lists another part number for 1998 A4's. Any help is appreciated.
Klammer
I removed the lower knee panel. I located the orang, black, green & purple wires. There is a white plastic box wraped in grey foam with the word TYCO on it off to the left side under the dash. There are two connectors that come out of this TYCO box and are plugged into the original connectors with the orange,green,black & purple wires. There is a white sticker on the plastic wire loom of the TYCO box that has the #5042. Is the TYCO box part of the harness K that should have been installed or is that a CLB? I also looked up the service procedure for my car via the sticky. On my bill, it says that the FP - Number for the harness K 2.195 is 89023816. I take it that is the part number? In the service bulletin, it lists another part number for 1998 A4's. Any help is appreciated.
Klammer