Air intake system
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by sshole
Ive been curious about this now and decided to try somthing.I stated in an earlier post that i have the twin rm racing intake and never get closer that 3 degrees above the ambeint temp.Well i wondered if it was because of the location of the filters or the design so i fab'd up a pipe that goes down directly behind the licsesns plate and put one of the k@n filters on it.I left the front plate off as well.I already had a box made of acrylic that closes off the compartment in the nose of the car from the engine bay.Using both of these i cruise around for 10 minutes watching the temps drop.Still 3 degrees of seperation.This filter is honsetly seeing direct air from the front of the car.No obstructions.It might as well be 2 feet in front of the car.Why will it not get to ambeint temp.It is basically getting air from relativly the same place as the vararam would.
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From: simpson town Mo
Originally Posted by Korreck
I would say it's too close to the pavement. But it hasn't changed from when it was in the original location. Right?
No the original location was right after the maf and it split into two filters.Now its behind the plate,but the pavement ic cool to the touch and its 68 degrees tonight.Also what is the benifit of two 3 inch filters if the hole in the maf is only the size of one of them.It cant need both of them to get adequete air can it?
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by sshole
No the original location was right after the maf and it split into two filters.Now its behind the plate,but the pavement ic cool to the touch and its 68 degrees tonight.Also what is the benifit of two 3 inch filters if the hole in the maf is only the size of one of them.It cant need both of them to get adequete air can it?
I think that what you've got is for show, but that's just another guess. Big help aren't I.
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Originally Posted by sshole
......Why will it not get to ambeint temp.It is basically getting air from relativly the same place as the vararam would.
No, seriously, I agree that you are probably picking up heat from the radiator.
The Vararam is a sealed system of ducts, (once you get behind it's water drainage openings) just like the ducts in your central air conditioning at home, so this is not a problem for it.
People like to claim that it is poorly designed and thought out. But the engineering and planning which went into it is a lot more complex than you might think, and simply adding a "trough" / air dam or a pipe to an existing system will not yield the consistent results it does.
Its your time, but you just wasted whatever time it took out of your life attempting to jury rig a cold air intake system to match just one of the performance of the Vararam. Time you'll never get back.
Someone else here wasted at least as much time and well over $100.00 on an "air dam" and wound up removing it a few weeks later, same as you will that pipe you put in. But I doubt that pipe stays on your car as long as that dam stayed on his.
If you want cold air, get the Vararam
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Jun 22, 2005 at 12:05 AM.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
Simple, it ain't a Vararam. "Basically" and "relatively" won't get you "exactly" the same results as with the Vararam.
No, seriously, I agree that you are probably picking up heat from the radiator.
The Vararam is a sealed system of ducts, just like the ducts in your central air conditioning at home, so this is not a problem for it.
People like to claim that it is poorly designed and thought out. But the engineering and planning which went into it is a lot more complex than you might think, and simply adding a "trough" / air dam or a pipe to an existing system will not yield the consistent results it does.
Its your time, but you just wasted whatever time it took out of your life attempting to jury rig a cold air intake system to match just one of the performance of the Vararam.
Someone else here wasted at least as much time and well over $100.00 on an "air dam" and wound up removing it, same as you will that pipe you put in.
If you want cold air, get the Vararam
No, seriously, I agree that you are probably picking up heat from the radiator.
The Vararam is a sealed system of ducts, just like the ducts in your central air conditioning at home, so this is not a problem for it.
People like to claim that it is poorly designed and thought out. But the engineering and planning which went into it is a lot more complex than you might think, and simply adding a "trough" / air dam or a pipe to an existing system will not yield the consistent results it does.
Its your time, but you just wasted whatever time it took out of your life attempting to jury rig a cold air intake system to match just one of the performance of the Vararam.
Someone else here wasted at least as much time and well over $100.00 on an "air dam" and wound up removing it, same as you will that pipe you put in.
If you want cold air, get the Vararam
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Originally Posted by Korreck
I think he did that just to test temps. Who would want to duplicate the Vararam and it's lousy design?
That analogy applies for the Vararam
He was attempting to duplicate results, and his efforts were every bit as futile as the last guy's.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Jun 22, 2005 at 12:10 AM.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
You cannot duplicate the results of the wheel, for instance, without duplicating it's design. A block does not roll as efficiently as a wheel or a sphere.
That analogy applies for the Vararam
He was attempting to duplicate results, and his efforts were every bit as futile as the last guy's.
That analogy applies for the Vararam
He was attempting to duplicate results, and his efforts were every bit as futile as the last guy's.
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Good night Rick. You need to get more sleep. I know I do.
I have been reading up on this wide band tuning crap most of last night and tonight.
That LC1 I ordered is going to be a tough install. Thats if I install it.
Was up last night/this morning till 3 AM and still confused about the install and wiring.
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From: simpson town Mo
Originally Posted by EB20003
Simple, it ain't a Vararam. "Basically" and "relatively" won't get you "exactly" the same results as with the Vararam.
No, seriously, I agree that you are probably picking up heat from the radiator.
The Vararam is a sealed system of ducts, (once you get behind it's water drainage openings) just like the ducts in your central air conditioning at home, so this is not a problem for it.
People like to claim that it is poorly designed and thought out. But the engineering and planning which went into it is a lot more complex than you might think, and simply adding a "trough" / air dam or a pipe to an existing system will not yield the consistent results it does.
Its your time, but you just wasted whatever time it took out of your life attempting to jury rig a cold air intake system to match just one of the performance of the Vararam. Time you'll never get back.
Someone else here wasted at least as much time and well over $100.00 on an "air dam" and wound up removing it a few weeks later, same as you will that pipe you put in. But I doubt that pipe stays on your car as long as that dam stayed on his.
If you want cold air, get the Vararam
No, seriously, I agree that you are probably picking up heat from the radiator.
The Vararam is a sealed system of ducts, (once you get behind it's water drainage openings) just like the ducts in your central air conditioning at home, so this is not a problem for it.
People like to claim that it is poorly designed and thought out. But the engineering and planning which went into it is a lot more complex than you might think, and simply adding a "trough" / air dam or a pipe to an existing system will not yield the consistent results it does.
Its your time, but you just wasted whatever time it took out of your life attempting to jury rig a cold air intake system to match just one of the performance of the Vararam. Time you'll never get back.
Someone else here wasted at least as much time and well over $100.00 on an "air dam" and wound up removing it a few weeks later, same as you will that pipe you put in. But I doubt that pipe stays on your car as long as that dam stayed on his.
If you want cold air, get the Vararam
Ok so i guess i wasnt clear.If i wanted a vararam i will buy one.Jury rigging isnt my game,i was testing the cold air theory to see if there was actually cooler air in the nose rather than in the engine bay.
I knew i would get a "Get a vararam" from someone. It seems every time somone has a question about a system,there is always someone who instead of going over the actual question,has to spout"Get a vararam".You actually think i havent been reading this entire thread,along with the countless others about this topic.I was mearly trying to emulate this piece of ****!!!!
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by sshole
Ok so i guess i wasnt clear.If i wanted a vararam i will buy one.Jury rigging isnt my game,i was testing the cold air theory to see if there was actually cooler air in the nose rather than in the engine bay.
I knew i would get a "Get a vararam" from someone. It seems every time somone has a question about a system,there is always someone who instead of going over the actual question,has to spout"Get a vararam".You actually think i havent been reading this entire thread,along with the countless others about this topic.I was mearly trying to emulate this piece of ****!!!!
I knew i would get a "Get a vararam" from someone. It seems every time somone has a question about a system,there is always someone who instead of going over the actual question,has to spout"Get a vararam".You actually think i havent been reading this entire thread,along with the countless others about this topic.I was mearly trying to emulate this piece of ****!!!!
I built a box around my Blackwing and I notice it gets hot. That was only one high speed run to test it though. I need to go back and see what else you posted and maybe I can add more. Are you recording temps via the PCM or a sensor down by the filter?
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by sshole
Also what is the benifit of two 3 inch filters if the hole in the maf is only the size of one of them.It cant need both of them to get adequete air can it?
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From: Shiloh Ohio
Originally Posted by sshole
No the original location was right after the maf and it split into two filters.Now its behind the plate,but the pavement ic cool to the touch and its 68 degrees tonight.Also what is the benifit of two 3 inch filters if the hole in the maf is only the size of one of them.It cant need both of them to get adequete air can it?
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by shurite44
You need more filter area to supply the MAF. The reason is if you have a three inch hole with no filter it can flow much more air than a three inch area with a filter because of the restriction of the filter.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by shurite44
Its when I wear my black pajamas you have to worry.
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From: TROY MI
Originally Posted by sshole
Ok so i guess i wasnt clear.If i wanted a vararam i will buy one.Jury rigging isnt my game,i was testing the cold air theory to see if there was actually cooler air in the nose rather than in the engine bay.
I knew i would get a "Get a vararam" from someone. It seems every time somone has a question about a system,there is always someone who instead of going over the actual question,has to spout"Get a vararam".You actually think i havent been reading this entire thread,along with the countless others about this topic.I was mearly trying to emulate this piece of ****!!!!
I knew i would get a "Get a vararam" from someone. It seems every time somone has a question about a system,there is always someone who instead of going over the actual question,has to spout"Get a vararam".You actually think i havent been reading this entire thread,along with the countless others about this topic.I was mearly trying to emulate this piece of ****!!!!
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by yankeevetteconvert
I would check your temperture measuring instruments.I have the same setup as you and my IAT reads the same as my ambient air readout in the car. I also have a probe in the drivers side filter and it agrees with the other two temp. readings. So in spite of what EB is saying you can get ambient air to your engine without using a VR. As I stated befor the advantage of the VR is it gives you ambient temp. immediately. Also 3* above ambient is a hell of a lot better than under hood temp. Stay with your idea you are on the right tract.
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From: simpson town Mo
Originally Posted by shurite44
You need more filter area to supply the MAF. The reason is if you have a three inch hole with no filter it can flow much more air than a three inch area with a filter because of the restriction of the filter.
Sorry i got a little pissy this morning guys.I just knew id hear a "get a vararam".I was ready to attack.I cant belive im actually learning anything from this thread but so far its been A little useful.