Lovin this intake debate...keep it coming.

As for another issue of temps, I'd think if you flush your coolant, and add the recommended Dexcool, with distilled water, and Redline's Water Wetter, it should do the trick (in most cases)...

 

I would ask a guy who we all trust and he owns a dyno to boot! Ask ANdy at A&A what his favorite air intake is. He installs every combo there is.

I asked him what his take on this was and he showed me his 427 C-6.
It had a Vortex rammer.

Enuff said.

 

I have seen a post from one of the forum tuners that the vararam filter is to small to support a large cubic inch engine. Not sure I agree, but this may be the reason for a vortex on a C6. But I think the main reason may be there is no vararam manufactured for the C6.

 

Gary, you know these guys think the Vararam came from God. It will do anything.

 

I see you finally have seen the light. Welcome to the real world.

 

 

MG, I installed a Vararam because it will give you more power than a Blackwing. Why? because it brings in cooler outside air from the high pressure area in your C5;the front of the car. The high pressure helps the engine pack the cylinders with cooler outside air. The Blackwing on the other hand uses hotter air from under the hood. This is better than the stock set up because it provides more air but the warmer air robs the car of maximum power. Under hood temperatures over 110 degress will decrease your horsepower by almost 20 on hot days.

 

MG, I installed a Vararam because it gives me more power than a Blackwing. Why? because it brings in cooler outside air from the high pressure area in your C5;the front of the car. The high pressure helps the engine pack the cylinders with cooler outside air. The Blackwing on the other hand uses hotter air from under the hood. This is better than the stock set up but the warmer air robs the car of maximum power. Under hood temperatures over 110 degress will decrease your horsepower up to 20 on hot days. That is why the LS1 with a stock setup runs better on 50 degree day than a 90.

 

Not so. The Vararam filter is the same if not larger than the stock filter. It is less restrictive than the stock filter because it uses foam instead of paper. The filter capacity on the one I am using will filter down to 6 microns. Two micron filters are available for dustier environments like the southwest. My Vette dealer offered the Vortex as an aftermarket special at one time and switched to Vararam. The problem with Vortex is that it gets its air from down below and picks up a lot of dirt from the road.

 

You're reading and believing all the bad info put out by Vararam. That foam piece of crap doesn't filter anything. You're also picking up heat and debris 13" above the pavement.

It's recommended that the breather intake be at least 20" above the pavement for reasons noted above.

You say the Vararam is less restricive. That's very true for the filter but not the system. You would do equally as well filtering with panty hose. The air ducts on the other hand are very restrictive. Small openings and bends. Welcome to the forum.

 

Hey Korreck.........VARARAM nuff said.

 

Your forgetting I have one and the performance of my car has been greatly enhanced. My car has gone from 13.2 in the quarter to just under 12.9. 0-60 has gone from 4.9 to just under 4.5. You did not mention anything about under the hood warm air vs. outside cooler air. My 85 degree performance is about as good as a 50 degree day.
My filter has no signs of large debris where the Vortex filter boxes I have seen are filthy. Nothing wrong with a Blackwing, I like the look. The V-ram made more sense to me. How is your warm air performance?

 

My warm air performance suffers the same as yours. Higher temps mean less oxygen. I have a window cutout in my shroud to supply ambient air to my Blackwing. I have also enclosed the filter so as to prevent engine compartment air getting into it.

If you go to the track, remove the Vararam from the MAF intake and cover it with panty hose. In other words your performance gains are due to the lack of filtering. You'll see the same gains.

 

Need I say more?

 

There is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that the gains seen with the Vararam are due to the filter alone.

Anyone can ask themselves these questions:

1.If using foam rubber as a filter material would result in an increase in performance, wouldn't we see foam filters in abundance from several manufacturers,........ in all different shapes and sizes and for numerous makes and models of automobiles?

2.With the automobile having been in existence for around 100 years and weekend racing becoming the rage that it has become since World War II, do you think that people would be fabricating their own foam filters if there were anything to be gained from doing so?

3.After all, thats where the use of Nitrous in hotrods traces its origins. WWII. So why did nitrous take off among the racing crowd and not foam filters?

Makes you wonder if foam offers that significant of an advantage over other filter media.

There is more than one type of foam filter available for the Vararam. The Baja filter being shipped with them now is much thicker than the previous race filter.

The argument that foam rubber is an inadequate material for filtering does not take into account the use of such filters on thousands of dirt bikes, apparantly without a rash of ill effects.

Finally a sheet of pantyhose material (nylon) is not anywhere near as thick as the present Baja filter. The Baja filter is approximately the same thickness as the OEM filter. If not thicker. It is two ply foam rubber. Comparing it to "pantyhose" is way off base.

 

[QUOTE=Korreck]My warm air performance suffers the same as yours. Higher temps mean less oxygen. I have a window cutout in my shroud to supply ambient air to my Blackwing. I have also enclosed the filter so as to prevent engine compartment air getting into it.

If you go to the track, remove the Vararam from the MAF intake and cover it with panty hose. In other words your performance gains are due to the lack of filtering. You'll see the same gains. [/QUOTE

Well first, you know I am not going repalce my filter with pantyhose so your claim is safe there. The point is you cut a hole in your shroud to increase performance. V-ram is a bolt on that allows you to avoid making that modification. My car can be returned to stock without replacing the shroud. Your claim that equates a V filter with pantyhose is unfounded. It is an unfair characterization based on your personal opinion.

 

Rick (EB20003) have you ever run the K & N filter instead of the foam filter in your vararam? I am surprised we have not seen someone compare these two filters at the track yet. Someone should do this and might as well include Bob's panty hose in the mix. I am currently vetteless so I can not do it.

 

1. No
2, No
3. They wanted performance, not a trashed engine. So easy for one of you guys to show I'm wrong. But you know deep down I'm right so you're not going to do as I suggested. Run panty hose.

 

[QUOTE=leeman]Wrong again. Please don't think I'm picking on you although I am.

I did it for consistency. I could care less how fast I run in the 1/4. Just as long as I can beat EB20003. Bracket racers have to predict their ET and better be able to within 0.010 or you won't win too many events.

 

Shu, I find that when one resorts to charactor assassination during an argument it is because they lack the facts to make their case. Instead of disputing your claim head on they resort to personal put downs in an effort to discredit you and your statements. This type of behavior finds its roots in ego and in buying the wrong filter in the first place.