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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by Pewtavert
Is it worthwhile to swap out a cold air system like the Vortex or Pro-Flow for a Vararam? Also if I have Z06 screens up front would that inhibit the Vararam's effectiveness?
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Originally Posted by Korreck
So you finally admit it. I am going to copy and save this. You admit that running without that piece of crap offers no performance gains. That's what I've been saying for months. It doesn't filter. That is the only reason it could possibly be for having the performance gain you experience with that Vararam. The design itself is about as bad as it could be. You could have saved several hundred dollers and just ran without a filter instead of buying that junk. Thank you.
Bob you must be butter, cause you are on a roll
Now you have gone and pulled out the Abbot and Costello "Who's on First, Third Base" routine.
What I am saying is that the demonstrated performance superiority of the Vararam over supersized gauze filters like the Blackwing, cannot be solely attributed to it's foam filter. Were the foam filter truly the "secret to it's success" we would see a whole slew of systems out there with foam filters. And we don't.
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Originally Posted by EB20003
Bob you must be butter, cause you are on a roll
Now you have gone and pulled out the Abbot and Costello "Who's on First, Third Base" routine.
What I am saying is that the demonstrated performance superiority of the Vararam over supersized gauze filters like the Blackwing, cannot be solely attributed to it's foam filter. Were the foam filter truly the "secret to it's success" we would see a whole slew of systems out there with foam filters. And we don't.
Now you have gone and pulled out the Abbot and Costello "Who's on First, Third Base" routine.
What I am saying is that the demonstrated performance superiority of the Vararam over supersized gauze filters like the Blackwing, cannot be solely attributed to it's foam filter. Were the foam filter truly the "secret to it's success" we would see a whole slew of systems out there with foam filters. And we don't.
You admit that running without that piece of crap offers no performance gains.
BTW, I asked you to email me.
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Originally Posted by Pewtavert
Is it worthwhile to swap out a cold air system like the Vortex or Pro-Flow for a Vararam? Also if I have Z06 screens up front would that inhibit the Vararam's effectiveness?
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Give it up Rick. You lost this one.
You admit that running without that piece of crap offers no performance gains.
BTW, I asked you to email me.
You admit that running without that piece of crap offers no performance gains.
BTW, I asked you to email me.
If so, then the people I know of who made 1/4mile runs after removing it from the Vararam air box realized no further benefit after removing it.
All this proves is that the design of the Baja filter is such that it does not measurably reduce the performance of the Vararam intake system.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
When you say "piece of crap" I am guessing that you are referring to the foam filter?
If so, then the people I know of who made 1/4mile runs after removing it from the Vararam air box realized no further benefit after removing it.
All this proves is that the design of the Baja filter is such that it does not measurably reduce the performance of the Vararam intake system.
If so, then the people I know of who made 1/4mile runs after removing it from the Vararam air box realized no further benefit after removing it.
All this proves is that the design of the Baja filter is such that it does not measurably reduce the performance of the Vararam intake system.
How's this. I go to the track Sat and remove my filter and run .15/.2 faster. What would that tell you?
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Originally Posted by Korreck
It doesn"t filter. Iknow, I'm full of crap, Andy at A&A is full of crap, Team ZR! testing is full of crap. Hell, you said it yourslf.
How's this. I go to the track Sat and remove my filter and run .15/.2 faster. What would that tell you?
But I will be a good sport and play along:
It would only prove that even with that Biggie Sized filter on your car, it is still not getting the best air flow for performance.
If you then followed that up by installing a Vararam intake system and still running 0.15/0.20seconds faster, then I know what that would tell me.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
Why bring those guys into it. Andy never did tell us what intake system caused that carnage he showed. He never said that it was seen in a normally aspirated situation. He never said what maintenance schedule if any were followed.....give it up Bob, the Vararam rocks
?????Not sure I follow you. If you wore your lucky underwear and ran .15/.20 seconds faster, what would that tell us???
But I will be a good sport and play along:
It would only prove that even with that Biggie Sized filter on your car, it is still not getting the best air flow for performance.
If you then followed that up by installing a Vararam intake system and still running 0.15/0.20seconds faster, then I know what that would tell me.
?????Not sure I follow you. If you wore your lucky underwear and ran .15/.20 seconds faster, what would that tell us???
But I will be a good sport and play along:
It would only prove that even with that Biggie Sized filter on your car, it is still not getting the best air flow for performance.
If you then followed that up by installing a Vararam intake system and still running 0.15/0.20seconds faster, then I know what that would tell me.
You have also stated that removing the Vararam filter gives no improvment. Now do you understand or are we going to continue these games.
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Originally Posted by Korreck
It doesn"t filter. Iknow, I'm full of crap, Andy at A&A is full of crap, Team ZR! testing is full of crap. Hell, you said it yourslf.
How's this. I go to the track Sat and remove my filter and run .15/.2 faster. What would that tell you?
How's this. I go to the track Sat and remove my filter and run .15/.2 faster. What would that tell you?
I see both sides of this battle,but there have been quite a few tuners and techs say the vararam was a waste of money.
I havent personally tried the vararam but have helped install two of them and they seem very poorly constructed for the money they cost.
Good thing is everyone has there opinion on these intakes and no one has to change there intake that they like due to anothers opinion.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by sshole
I know i may be jumping in this a little late but Ive had two very reputable tuners(mti) tell me not to waste my money on a vararam.He said keep the rm twin filter i have.He honestly wasnt trying to sell me an intake either.
I see both sides of this battle,but there have been quite a few tuners and techs say the vararam was a waste of money.
I havent personally tried the vararam but have helped install two of them and they seem very poorly constructed for the money they cost.
Good thing is everyone has there opinion on these intakes and no one has to change there intake that they like due to anothers opinion.
I see both sides of this battle,but there have been quite a few tuners and techs say the vararam was a waste of money.
I havent personally tried the vararam but have helped install two of them and they seem very poorly constructed for the money they cost.
Good thing is everyone has there opinion on these intakes and no one has to change there intake that they like due to anothers opinion.
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Originally Posted by Korreck
You claim Blackwing is no better than stock. I run 12.7 with it. You claim you picked up .15/.2 with the Vararam. If I remove my filter and pick up .15/.2 would that be the same performance gain?
You have also stated that removing the Vararam filter gives no improvment. Now do you understand or are we going to continue these games.
You have also stated that removing the Vararam filter gives no improvment. Now do you understand or are we going to continue these games.
What were you running under the same conditions with your stock air lid??? Show us a comparison of your runs with and without the Blackwing and no other changes, tuning or otherwise. Include DA, 60ft times, approximate vehicle weight, track, driver, and tires.
I picked up a measurable .15 seconds in ET over the Blackwing with the Vararam, which could only be attributed to the change from the former to the latter. No other changes, tuning or otherwise.
How much of an improvement over the stock air box did the Blackwing give you on the drag strip?
I said that the people I know of who have made runs using no filter in the Vararam box saw no improvement over running with the Baja filter in place.
If you can get a consistent .15/.20 second improvement in ET by removing your filter and airbox entirely, then only you can decide if you wish to continue to make your track runs that way.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
You could have run 12.7 with a zip tie mod under the right conditions. Whats your point?
What were you running under the same conditions with your stock air lid??? Show us a comparison of your runs with and without the Blackwing and no other changes, tuning or otherwise. Include DA, 60ft times, approximate vehicle weight, track, driver, and tires.
I picked up a measurable .15 seconds in ET over the Blackwing with the Vararam, which could only be attributed to the change from the former to the latter. No other changes, tuning or otherwise.
I said that the people I know of who have made runs using no filter in the Vararam box saw no improvement over running with the Baja filter in place.
Rick
What were you running under the same conditions with your stock air lid??? Show us a comparison of your runs with and without the Blackwing and no other changes, tuning or otherwise. Include DA, 60ft times, approximate vehicle weight, track, driver, and tires.
I picked up a measurable .15 seconds in ET over the Blackwing with the Vararam, which could only be attributed to the change from the former to the latter. No other changes, tuning or otherwise.
I said that the people I know of who have made runs using no filter in the Vararam box saw no improvement over running with the Baja filter in place.
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Originally Posted by Korreck
My Blackwing vs stock has nothing to do with it. You picked up .15 switching from Blackwing to Vararam. If I switch from Blackwing to no filter and pick up .15 that would equal your gain. Your gain is due to the fact that you have no filtering. But you claim it's a superior design. I can prove it's not. I'll remove my Blackwing and run .15 faster.
I was able to demonstrate a gain in going from the Blackwing to the Vararam. But I have yet to see any posted results from you, showing any improvement in going from the stock air lid to the Blackwing, with no other changes.
How do you know that the Blackwing gave you any ET/trap improvement at all over what you had on your car before????
I can certainly demonstrate that the Vararam gave me a benefit over what I was running before.............. Can you demonstrate that the Blackwing gave you a performance benefit over what you had before????
Am I to understand that you are going to remove the Blackwing and just run with the exposed MAF? And you believe that you will run, what 12.55 doing so?
If you show improvement by running with no filter, only you can decide if that is the " configuration" you wish to run. No one can argue with the performance result. But is it practical to run your car this way, on a full time basis, with no filter or airbox whatsoever?
If I can get the same 0.2 seconds ET improvement running the Vararam intake system and Baja filter as I can by running no airbox and no filter at all, just an exposed MAF, then I will run the Vararam system.
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What about the Trick?? 
Personally, I think the TRIC was the best performing unit that was on the market.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by EB20003
I have to disagree here. I think that it does.
I was able to demonstrate a gain in going from the Blackwing to the Vararam. But I have yet to see any posted results from you, showing any improvement in going from the stock air lid to the Blackwing, with no other changes.
How do you know that the Blackwing gave you any ET/trap improvement at all over what you had on your car before????
I can certainly demonstrate that the Vararam gave me a benefit over what I was running before.............. Can you demonstrate that the Blackwing gave you a performance benefit over what you had before????
Am I to understand that you are going to remove the Blackwing and just run with the exposed MAF? And you believe that you will run, what 12.55 doing so?
If you show improvement by running with no filter, only you can decide if that is the " configuration" you wish to run. No one can argue with the performance result. But is it practical to run your car this way, on a full time basis, with no filter or airbox whatsoever?
If I can get the same 0.2 seconds ET improvement running the Vararam intake system and Baja filter as I can by running no airbox and no filter at all, just an exposed MAF, then I will run the Vararam system.
I was able to demonstrate a gain in going from the Blackwing to the Vararam. But I have yet to see any posted results from you, showing any improvement in going from the stock air lid to the Blackwing, with no other changes.
How do you know that the Blackwing gave you any ET/trap improvement at all over what you had on your car before????
I can certainly demonstrate that the Vararam gave me a benefit over what I was running before.............. Can you demonstrate that the Blackwing gave you a performance benefit over what you had before????
Am I to understand that you are going to remove the Blackwing and just run with the exposed MAF? And you believe that you will run, what 12.55 doing so?
If you show improvement by running with no filter, only you can decide if that is the " configuration" you wish to run. No one can argue with the performance result. But is it practical to run your car this way, on a full time basis, with no filter or airbox whatsoever?
If I can get the same 0.2 seconds ET improvement running the Vararam intake system and Baja filter as I can by running no airbox and no filter at all, just an exposed MAF, then I will run the Vararam system.
I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.
I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.
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The way it was explained to me
Originally Posted by Pewtavert
Is it worthwhile to swap out a cold air system like the Vortex or Pro-Flow for a Vararam? Also if I have Z06 screens up front would that inhibit the Vararam's effectiveness?
The LS1 vacuums in air at idle at the rate up to 65 MPH. The restrictive stock set up creates resistance to the air flow and the resistance increases as you go faster. When you install the V-ram the resistance is reduced. The combination of less restrictive air flow and cooler ambient air packing the cylinders creates the added horsepower. This is why you feel the engine keep climbing when you install the V-ram. You not only get a low end gain but it comes on even harder over 65 MPH. The air is not being rammed in because the filter stops that. It is being made available to be drawn in at the higher rate the engine requires and different times. The location of the intake is ideal because it is in the high pressure area of the C5, the front facia. Bob stated in an earlier post that he cut a hole in his shroud and blocked the warmer engine air from getting to the filter. This is an admission that the Blackwing by itself is not as effective.
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Mr. EB, why do I feel I'm getting jacked around by a pro?
I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.
I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.
I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.
I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by leeman
Hey Bob, I just spent $2500 for a Guardian Plus whole house air filter. It taps into my central air and heating. Guess what the main filter is made out of?
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Mr. EB, why do I feel I'm getting jacked around by a pro?
I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.
I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.
I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.
I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.