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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Mr. EB, why do I feel I'm getting jacked around by a pro?

I don't have a comparison of my Blackwing vs stock. That's not the point. I would never drive around without a filter. I might consider a couple of runs down the track to prove a point. You drive every day with insufficiant filtering.

I have always said you'll get no performance gain with the Vararam. You boys have proven me wrong. Now I had to figure out why because it's a terrible design. So it has to be the lack of filtering. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

My test should prove that to you. If you're unwilling to accept that then there's nothing I can do. The Vararararam is a piece of crap. Their advertising of ram air is all BS. Why you or anybody else would put that on their car is beyond me.
I checked a few Blackwing dealer's websites and I see that they do not make any claims about the units filtering capacity. They describe the synthetic material as being less restrictive than paper or cotton filters. Ah oh, no claims being made. This could indicate that the Blackwing may not be as good of a filter as you think Bob. Couple that with the dirt and debris picked up by the air dam and you could be worse off than us V-Ram users. Factor this. Prestige Motors (on the web) the Corvette dealer I bought my car from has been selling Vettes for 10 years. He has been installing after market intakes and has installed most if not all of the major brands and road tested the cars. He says that V-Ram by far is the best bolt on to date. He said the closest set up to the V-ram was the vortex with a hole in the shroud. When I took my car in for the install I saw a shroud laying on the floor with the Vortex attached it was filthy. The owner wanted it replaced with the V-Ram. Plus the V-ram looks like a stock set up. Neat and clean. Isn't it time you chose V-Ram?
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I usually reserve that phrase for the hip teenage chicks that use it constantly, but in frustration, I had to say it. I can't believe that we still haven't all accepted the fact that the Vararam filter is fine, fit is fine, installation is fine, look is fine, etc. etc.

When it comes to performance, that's where "fine" leaves the room, and "the best" is now left standing all alone.

I'm gonna hold my head out the window of my droptop vette, and drive 80mph, with my mouth wide open, so I can get the supercharged ram air effect in my body, and then I'm gonna jump out of my car and beat Ben Johnson in a sprint. I'll prove to everyone that ram air DOES work. Better yet, I'm gonna put some panty hose over my inlet, so I don't eats any bugs!
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I usually reserve that phrase for the hip teenage chicks that use it constantly, but in frustration, I had to say it. I can't believe that we still haven't all accepted the fact that the Vararam filter is fine, fit is fine, installation is fine, look is fine, etc. etc.

When it comes to performance, that's where "fine" leaves the room, and "the best" is now left standing all alone.

I'm gonna hold my head out the window of my droptop vette, and drive 80mph, with my mouth wide open, so I can get the supercharged ram air effect in my body, and then I'm gonna jump out of my car and beat Ben Johnson in a sprint. I'll prove to everyone that ram air DOES work. Better yet, I'm gonna put some panty hose over my inlet, so I don't eats any bugs!
Hey 2000BSME, I am curious is that your girl friend in your avatar?
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shurite44
Hey 2000BSME, I am curious is that your girl friend in your avatar?

Thank you for asking, she is my fiancee, as of two and a half weeks ago. I like to look at her.

This way, I get to see her when I play on the Forum.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
Thank you for asking, she is my fiancee, as of two and a half weeks ago. I like to look at her.

This way, I get to see her when I play on the Forum.
Congratulations 2000, she is a looker. I think we all like to look at her. She pretty's up the forum.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Although I am not as smart or passionate as the other guys on this thread I would like to offer these thoughts.
A. Your car will NEVER flow more air to the intake than with NO filter at all. Any filter is restrictive!
B. Unless the system is pressurized you will never FORCE air into the intake. The engine will DRAW air in through the throttle body. Period!
And if you do pressureize the intake system the air temp will rise as the speed/pressure/flow rate increases. Thats physics boys.
C. Stop calling them cold air intakes! It is not cold air that is drawn in. It is cooler air than the engines intake temp that is used.

Now just a stupid thought.
Has anyone thought of running a hose from the Air conditioner output to the intake, thereby sending 60 to 70 degree or colder, COLD air into the maf and throttle body? In the summer this would have to be colder than most outside air temps in the south. Now the ac would cause power loss but if its 90 to 100 degrees outside you would probably run it anyway. I wonder if ac air is to DRY to offer any benifit? Would gas milage incress? If you closed your inside vents and put the fan on high could you almost have a closed, pressurized system?
Anyway just some thoughts.
PS. you guys are great, this is way more entertaining than TV.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
Thank you for asking, she is my fiancee, as of two and a half weeks ago. I like to look at her.

This way, I get to see her when I play on the Forum.
I want her email address. Have to talk to that girl and find out why she puts up with you. I know she can do better and find someone with more common sense than to run a Vararam.

BTW, congradulations.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by leeman
I checked a few Blackwing dealer's websites and I see that they do not make any claims about the units filtering capacity. They describe the synthetic material as being less restrictive than paper or cotton filters. Ah oh, no claims being made. This could indicate that the Blackwing may not be as good of a filter as you think Bob. Couple that with the dirt and debris picked up by the air dam and you could be worse off than us V-Ram users. Factor this. Prestige Motors (on the web) the Corvette dealer I bought my car from has been selling Vettes for 10 years. He has been installing after market intakes and has installed most if not all of the major brands and road tested the cars. He says that V-Ram by far is the best bolt on to date. He said the closest set up to the V-ram was the vortex with a hole in the shroud. When I took my car in for the install I saw a shroud laying on the floor with the Vortex attached it was filthy. The owner wanted it replaced with the V-Ram. Plus the V-ram looks like a stock set up. Neat and clean. Isn't it time you chose V-Ram?
I'm trying to educate you and I know you're new so I'm being as nice as I can. Blackwing has always claimed an increas in oerformance. If you're looking for info look up the Donaldson company.

Look at the engine builders and tuners and see what they include in their packages. You won't find a Vararam. Usually a Blackwing. That tell you anything? Some of you guys would complain if you were hung with a new rope. You ignore all data and expert advice from people in the know. Engine builders and tuners.

Vararam advertises ram air. I'm starting to believe that. They're ramming it right up your azz.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Korreck
You're reading and believing all the bad info put out by Vararam. That foam piece of crap doesn't filter anything. You're also picking up heat and debris 13" above the pavement.

It's recommended that the breather intake be at least 20" above the pavement for reasons noted above.

You say the Vararam is less restricive. That's very true for the filter but not the system. You would do equally as well filtering with panty hose. The air ducts on the other hand are very restrictive. Small openings and bends. Welcome to the forum.
DUDE, what has the Vararam company done to you or your family?? Do they have your kids hostage?? I can't understand why you have this single minded hate for a stupid product. What the heck do you care what other folks use?? It's like you have to make us all move from the "dark side".
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CB99Coupe
Now just a stupid thought.
Has anyone thought of running a hose from the Air conditioner output to the intake, thereby sending 60 to 70 degree or colder, COLD air into the maf and throttle body? In the summer this would have to be colder than most outside air temps in the south. Now the ac would cause power loss but if its 90 to 100 degrees outside you would probably run it anyway. I wonder if ac air is to DRY to offer any benifit? Would gas milage incress? If you closed your inside vents and put the fan on high could you almost have a closed, pressurized system?
CB99Coupe, a little suggestion, if you were joking here put in a . If you were not joking put in a , so that people think you are joking. One thing you hit on the head, "Now just a stupid thought".
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CB99Coupe
Although I am not as smart or passionate as the other guys on this thread I would like to offer these thoughts.
A. Your car will NEVER flow more air to the intake than with NO filter at all. Any filter is restrictive!
B. Unless the system is pressurized you will never FORCE air into the intake. The engine will DRAW air in through the throttle body. Period!
And if you do pressureize the intake system the air temp will rise as the speed/pressure/flow rate increases. Thats physics boys.
C. Stop calling them cold air intakes! It is not cold air that is drawn in. It is cooler air than the engines intake temp that is used.

Now just a stupid thought.
Has anyone thought of running a hose from the Air conditioner output to the intake, thereby sending 60 to 70 degree or colder, COLD air into the maf and throttle body? In the summer this would have to be colder than most outside air temps in the south. Now the ac would cause power loss but if its 90 to 100 degrees outside you would probably run it anyway. I wonder if ac air is to DRY to offer any benifit? Would gas milage incress? If you closed your inside vents and put the fan on high could you almost have a closed, pressurized system?
Anyway just some thoughts.
PS. you guys are great, this is way more entertaining than TV.
Ignore Shurite. He's a non believer. I have suggested a Fridgeidare in the passenger seat and routing the air through that. I don't know how else to get cold air. But I may like your idea better. Saves on the added weight.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 02:29 PM
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Cold air is more oxygen dense hot air. Same situation with nitrous oxide, very oxygen rich. The increased oxygen makes for more power when burned.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by shurite44
CB99Coupe, a little suggestion, if you were joking here put in a . If you were not joking put in a , so that people think you are joking. One thing you hit on the head, "Now just a stupid thought".
I dont think I need any smiles to add to my statement. I said "Now just a stupid thought". I dont see how I could be much clearer!
As for my points, I noticed there were no responses to those so do we all now agree on the facts or are those just going to get it the way of a good argument?
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Originally Posted by 2000BSME
Thank you for asking, she is my fiancee, as of two and a half weeks ago. I like to look at her.

This way, I get to see her when I play on the Forum.
Congratulations, she`s a looker!
Have you tested her to see if she runs faster with/with out panty hose?


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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 04:45 PM
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Congratulations, she`s a looker!
Have you tested her to see if she runs faster with/with out panty hose?


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She's a little tornado, with or without!! Thanks.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pewtavert
Is it worthwhile to swap out a cold air system like the Vortex or Pro-Flow for a Vararam? Also if I have Z06 screens up front would that inhibit the Vararam's effectiveness?
If you race the car yes make the swap. I switched from the Vortex to the Vararam this past Jan. big gain in track performance.
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Originally Posted by CB99Coupe
I dont think I need any smiles to add to my statement. I said "Now just a stupid thought". I dont see how I could be much clearer!
As for my points, I noticed there were no responses to those so do we all now agree on the facts or are those just going to get it the way of a good argument?
What do you mean no responses? I agreed.
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If you race the car yes make the swap. I switched from the Vortex to the Vararam this past Jan. big gain in track performance.
Tower to Bob, wake up, it's time to go.
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Tower to Bob, wake up, it's time to go.
Just recieved the signed contract for the 2006 Drag Racing Season. WooHoo lets go racin boys.....VARARAM When nothing less than the best will do.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 16Again
Just recieved the signed contract for the 2006 Drag Racing Season. WooHoo lets go racin boys.....VARARAM When nothing less than the best will do.
Congrats Bob. The boys owe you a bunch. Hope you and Roger get a little more support down there.
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