I hate dealing with long tubes and am sticking with my shorties 
Shorty Headers worth the $$??
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Are B&B Shorty Headers worth the $$ (I can get them used for $350) for the HP they give?? I dont want to go through the trouble with long tubes and welding and removing the cats, etc, if they are worth the money for the shorties ill do them cause I am doing heads and a cam soon.
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corvette Don... i've got a set of coated JBA Shorties im selling. what i like about them is ease of install, the pass emissions test if you have them, and the coating is awsome. there cold to the touch after about an hour and cool enough to work around in only 20 min. leak free and look like new. let me know if your interested. give me a good offer and there yours.
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I have no exact pertinent data, but I would suggest that maybe the the '97-'99 shorties would show more relative improvement than the later cars.
1. The '97-'99 had longer factory manifolds, and therefore the replacement B&B "shorties" could be longer, and perhaps function better than the later, shorter versions?
2. The '97-'99 had the stainless manifolds, and reportedly didn't flow as well as the later cast manifolds. So the relative improvement would be greater, going to the B&B "shorties".
Does that seem reasonable?
Oh, just FYI; a highly respected tuner (John at 21st Century Musclecar) told me I might see 7-8 HP by adding the later cast manifolds to my '00. (I did it - they were free - but also added a Z06 intake at the same time - got 13 rwhp with both those).
DG
1. The '97-'99 had longer factory manifolds, and therefore the replacement B&B "shorties" could be longer, and perhaps function better than the later, shorter versions?
2. The '97-'99 had the stainless manifolds, and reportedly didn't flow as well as the later cast manifolds. So the relative improvement would be greater, going to the B&B "shorties".
Does that seem reasonable?
Oh, just FYI; a highly respected tuner (John at 21st Century Musclecar) told me I might see 7-8 HP by adding the later cast manifolds to my '00. (I did it - they were free - but also added a Z06 intake at the same time - got 13 rwhp with both those).
DG
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I have no exact pertinent data, but I would suggest that maybe the the '97-'99 shorties would show more relative improvement than the later cars.
1. The '97-'99 had longer factory manifolds, and therefore the replacement B&B "shorties" could be longer, and perhaps function better than the later, shorter versions?
2. The '97-'99 had the stainless manifolds, and reportedly didn't flow as well as the later cast manifolds. So the relative improvement would be greater, going to the B&B "shorties".
Does that seem reasonable?
Oh, just FYI; a highly respected tuner (John at 21st Century Musclecar) told me I might see 7-8 HP by adding the later cast manifolds to my '00. (I did it - they were free - but also added a Z06 intake at the same time - got 13 rwhp with both those).
DG
1. The '97-'99 had longer factory manifolds, and therefore the replacement B&B "shorties" could be longer, and perhaps function better than the later, shorter versions?
2. The '97-'99 had the stainless manifolds, and reportedly didn't flow as well as the later cast manifolds. So the relative improvement would be greater, going to the B&B "shorties".
Does that seem reasonable?
Oh, just FYI; a highly respected tuner (John at 21st Century Musclecar) told me I might see 7-8 HP by adding the later cast manifolds to my '00. (I did it - they were free - but also added a Z06 intake at the same time - got 13 rwhp with both those).
DG
lol, I think you need to fix those years, but what you are saying is that there is an improvment with the Z06 manifolds over my 2000 manifolds??
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why are you keeping the stock cats?? theres no point of a h/c or cam-only setup if it cant exhale right. Remember what your doing..trying to get as much air in the motor and get it out as fast as possible.If your doing LTs, get high flow cats or no cats at all otherwise its a waste of $$.
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Corvette Don, I didn't mention the '00 in my little dissertation about long stainless manifolds vs short cast manifolds, because the '00 is the bastard child. It is the only year that had the "short" stainless manifolds. (of course, it's the one you and I own).
So, maybe worst of both worlds for it. However, you can bolt the better cast manifolds right on it and mate to the stock H-pipe, can't do that with the '97-'99. Of course, the catch is - the '00 had the AIR pipe on the #8 exhaust like the '97-'99. That's why the '00 has a specific aftermarket header number for just that year.
So, be careful with your '00 when you order any header:
97-99 - AIR pipe works, but H-pipe and cats are too short.
01-04 - H-pipe is okay, but need longer AIR pipe ($50 and a bear to install).
Ohhhhh, my head hurts!
Cheers,
DG
So, maybe worst of both worlds for it. However, you can bolt the better cast manifolds right on it and mate to the stock H-pipe, can't do that with the '97-'99. Of course, the catch is - the '00 had the AIR pipe on the #8 exhaust like the '97-'99. That's why the '00 has a specific aftermarket header number for just that year.
So, be careful with your '00 when you order any header:
97-99 - AIR pipe works, but H-pipe and cats are too short.
01-04 - H-pipe is okay, but need longer AIR pipe ($50 and a bear to install).
Ohhhhh, my head hurts!
Cheers,
DG
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Corvette Don, I didn't mention the '00 in my little dissertation about long stainless manifolds vs short cast manifolds, because the '00 is the bastard child. It is the only year that had the "short" stainless manifolds. (of course, it's the one you and I own).
So, maybe worst of both worlds for it. However, you can bolt the better cast manifolds right on it and mate to the stock H-pipe, can't do that with the '97-'99. Of course, the catch is - the '00 had the AIR pipe on the #8 exhaust like the '97-'99. That's why the '00 has a specific aftermarket header number for just that year.
So, be careful with your '00 when you order any header:
97-99 - AIR pipe works, but H-pipe and cats are too short.
01-04 - H-pipe is okay, but need longer AIR pipe ($50 and a bear to install).
Ohhhhh, my head hurts!
Cheers
DG
So, maybe worst of both worlds for it. However, you can bolt the better cast manifolds right on it and mate to the stock H-pipe, can't do that with the '97-'99. Of course, the catch is - the '00 had the AIR pipe on the #8 exhaust like the '97-'99. That's why the '00 has a specific aftermarket header number for just that year.
So, be careful with your '00 when you order any header:
97-99 - AIR pipe works, but H-pipe and cats are too short.
01-04 - H-pipe is okay, but need longer AIR pipe ($50 and a bear to install).
Ohhhhh, my head hurts!
Cheers
DG
Im kind of hating my 2000 A4 right now!!! Does this mean that unless you get headers (longtube or shorties) for the 2000 specifically, then they wont fit on the car??? What exactly is different/ what do u need on top of the normal stuff to install headers on this year??? Also, i dont know if this matters, but my 2000 A4 doesnt have "pup" cats, it only has the two main ones parallel to the ground.thanks alot
-Dave
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Well I was going to get high flos but some of these co's have them with a "kit" that includes the lt's, cats and x-pipe that bolt right up to the cat back with no welding (but I dunno if I want a x-pipe over a H-pipe) so I am going to go with one of those kit most likely. And The Wrench - I know our 2000's are different in some ways than the other yr vettes but hey at least we have the bigger cam 
, no over the Z06 tho, but I dint know our manifolds were shorter!?!? Damn I keep learning more and more differences with my 2000 over the other yrs
, no over the Z06 tho, but I dint know our manifolds were shorter!?!? Damn I keep learning more and more differences with my 2000 over the other yrs
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Shortys make sense!
I have been thinking of going with the shorty headers also. For about $500, I can get shorty headers and be able to install it myself. If I go with long tubes, it will cost me at least $1,600 for the headers with installation, since I can’t do that installation myself. I hear that you will get about 10 rwhp with the shorty’s and about 25 rwhp with the long tubes, unless I also go with hi-flow cats, which will add about $600-$800 more installed, and give me about 40 rwhp max. Now lets see: Shortys, about 10 rwhp or $50 per hp. Long tubes, about $64 per hp and with hi-flow cats, about $60 per hp. Maybe I’m stupid or something, but it seems to me that shortys give the most hp per dollar.
Thanks,
Clayton from Las Vegas
Thanks,
Clayton from Las Vegas
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I have been thinking of going with the shorty headers also. For about $500, I can get shorty headers and be able to install it myself. If I go with long tubes, it will cost me at least $1,600 for the headers with installation, since I can’t do that installation myself. I hear that you will get about 10 rwhp with the shorty’s and about 25 rwhp with the long tubes, unless I also go with hi-flow cats, which will add about $600-$800 more installed, and give me about 40 rwhp max. Now lets see: Shortys, about 10 rwhp or $50 per hp. Long tubes, about $64 per hp and with hi-flow cats, about $60 per hp. Maybe I’m stupid or something, but it seems to me that shortys give the most hp per dollar.
Thanks,
Clayton from Las Vegas
Thanks,
Clayton from Las Vegas
Thats the same way i thought about it Clayton!!
Where are u going to get your shorty headers at??? On this forum, or did you find a vender that carries them for cheap??
-Dave