Shorty Headers worth the $$??
Melting Slicks
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Racer
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Are B&B Shorty Headers worth the $$ (I can get them used for $350) for the HP they give?? I dont want to go through the trouble with long tubes and welding and removing the cats, etc, if they are worth the money for the shorties ill do them cause I am doing heads and a cam soon.
NO, NO, NO, NO
Shorties are not headers. . . just a fancy exhaust manifold. . . . They do nothing for performance. If you want “HEADERS” get Long Tubes ! Your best bet is to get a complete Long Tube Header System, e.g., Headers, CATS, and X-Pipe if you're really looking for HP gains. American Racing Headers makes a great (and easy to install) system. . . check em out.If you're looking for performance go LONG TUBES
!Ciao,
Melting Slicks
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NO, NO, NO, NO Shorties are not headers. . . just a fancy exhaust manifold. . . . They do nothing for performance. If you want “HEADERS” get Long Tubes ! Your best bet is to get a complete Long Tube Header System, e.g., Headers, CATS, and X-Pipe if you're really looking for HP gains. American Racing Headers makes a great (and easy to install) system. . . check em out.
If you're looking for performance go LONG TUBES !
Ciao,
Shorties are not headers. . . just a fancy exhaust manifold. . . . They do nothing for performance. If you want “HEADERS” get Long Tubes ! Your best bet is to get a complete Long Tube Header System, e.g., Headers, CATS, and X-Pipe if you're really looking for HP gains. American Racing Headers makes a great (and easy to install) system. . . check em out.If you're looking for performance go LONG TUBES
!Ciao,
Shorties are headers...
You will see an improvement with shorties..just not as much
But I do agree that for the money...600 bucks for possiably ~10hp...shorties dont give you the return on investment
But if your trying to stay legal (in CA at least)....shorties or staying stock are your only options..
Find a used set of shorties for less
Last edited by BitViper; Apr 23, 2007 at 03:20 PM.
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Does anyone know what years will benefit the most from shorty headers???? I have heard the 97-99 will because they are not cast and dont have as long of seperate tubes as the later model C5's??? Also, i have a 2000C5, but i dont have pup cats and my manifolds have the stainless steel cover over them, so does that mean i have the 97-99 manifolds on my car??? 
thanks everyone
-Dave
thanks everyone
-Dave
Melting Slicks
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Man shorty headers sure do get a bad rap. I dynoed 321 HP and 336 TQ with Pace setters, dynomax walkers, no cats, X-pipe and vararam on my otherwise stock '98 6 spd. So I was at 298 aaprox. at the wheels which is what the dyno guys said most 98s were, then I picked up around 23 HP. I paid 300.00 for headers. Thats about 13 dollars per HP.
Not a bad ROI. No burnt wires, easy installation, very little heat, I got the deal of the century as far as I am concerned.
Here is a link to my dyno run post I made a while back. ---------> http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1601250
and a link to hear my exhaust -----------> [IMG]
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Don't be afraid to choose your own path sometimes and go against the grain or the concensus.
I wish you the best of luck, shorty or LT.
Brad
Not a bad ROI. No burnt wires, easy installation, very little heat, I got the deal of the century as far as I am concerned.
Here is a link to my dyno run post I made a while back. ---------> http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1601250
and a link to hear my exhaust -----------> [IMG]
[/IMG]Don't be afraid to choose your own path sometimes and go against the grain or the concensus.
I wish you the best of luck, shorty or LT.
Brad
Last edited by Brad@RevXtremeAutoSports; Apr 21, 2007 at 10:35 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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Man shorty headers sure do get a bad rap. I dynoed 321 HP and 336 TQ with Pace setters, dynomax walkers, no cats, X-pipe and vararam on my otherwise stock '98 6 spd. So I was at 298 aaprox. at the wheels which is what the dyno guys said most 98s were, then I picked up around 23 HP. I paid 300.00 for headers. Thats about 13 dollars per HP.
Not a bad ROI. No burnt wires, easy installation, very little heat, I got the deal of the century as far as I am concerned.
Here is a link to my dyno run post I made a while back. ---------> http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1601250
and a link to hear my exhaust -----------> [IMG][/IMG]
Don't be afraid to choose your own path sometimes and go against the grain or the concensus.
I wish you the best of luck, shorty or LT.
Brad
Not a bad ROI. No burnt wires, easy installation, very little heat, I got the deal of the century as far as I am concerned.
Here is a link to my dyno run post I made a while back. ---------> http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1601250
and a link to hear my exhaust -----------> [IMG]
[/IMG]Don't be afraid to choose your own path sometimes and go against the grain or the concensus.
I wish you the best of luck, shorty or LT.
Brad
Brad I dont think you were ever at 298 RWHP, whatever you dynoed IS your RWHP, not even a stock vette will dyno under 300, look at what I dynoed in my sig with those mods!! But I am going with LT's just dont know what brand yet
Last edited by Corvette Don; Apr 22, 2007 at 12:35 AM.
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Stock C5's are supposed to dyno around 289 to the wheels because there is a 12percent power loss in M6's and 18percent power loss in A4's
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Le Mans Master
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Thats still 308 RWHP stock (m6) and brads car is a M6, there is no way a stock vette will lose 61 RWHP through the drivetrain
Last edited by Corvette Don; Apr 22, 2007 at 04:47 AM.
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FLHP
345 - 12% = 303 rwhp
350 - 12% = 308 rwhp
Stock MN6 should be just over 300 and autos just under to right at 300 rwhp.
If your at 289 rwhp, there is something that needs to be looked at.
Stock C5 Z06s can be tuned ( no bolt ons) up to 370 rwhp on pump gas and 385 on 100 octane
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Umm No
FLHP
345 - 12% = 303 rwhp
350 - 12% = 308 rwhp
Stock MN6 should be just over 300 and autos just under to right at 300 rwhp.
If your at 289 rwhp, there is something that needs to be looked at.
Stock C5 Z06s can be tuned ( no bolt ons) up to 370 rwhp on pump gas and 385 on 100 octane
FLHP
345 - 12% = 303 rwhp
350 - 12% = 308 rwhp
Stock MN6 should be just over 300 and autos just under to right at 300 rwhp.
If your at 289 rwhp, there is something that needs to be looked at.
Stock C5 Z06s can be tuned ( no bolt ons) up to 370 rwhp on pump gas and 385 on 100 octane
HMMMMMMMMM........
345 - 18% (loss for a 2000 A4 C5) = 282.9 rwhp
SOMEONE HAS TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL
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Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
Le Mans Master
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Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
