Notices
C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Best Suspension!!!

 
Old 10-13-2008, 10:53 PM
  #1  
rockgoped
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rockgoped's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: stockton - Near Sac. Town Cali
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Best Suspension!!!

theres a bunch of suspension systems out there for our cars. from coilovers, to sways, to leaf springs.

Ive heard great things about the pfadt coilovers and sway bars.
but how good are they really.

what kind of comparision on a scale from one to ten is there verses stock suspension. Is it worth all that money!?

the T1 sway bars. are they better or worse than the pfadt sway bars?
rockgoped is offline  
Old 10-13-2008, 11:10 PM
  #2  
lionelhutz
CF Senior Member
 
lionelhutz's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: South Western Ontario
Posts: 9,473
Received 395 Likes on 366 Posts
Default

Try telling people exactly what you want or expect from a suspension upgrade.

Peter
lionelhutz is offline  
Old 10-13-2008, 11:16 PM
  #3  
convertz
CF Senior Member
 
convertz's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: Livingston NJ
Posts: 518
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

You have to know what you want.

Chevy built the suspension in these cars cause they thought thats what people wanted, a fancy, sporty car for old people to go play golf in, that wont dislocate gramps hip as it slams a pothole.


Pfadt seems to be the leader in coulovers and sway bars lately, but its a very "firm" setup



I have been in DngrZn's car, he is running T1 bars and LG coilovers. Its great on the highway, ok on city roads, as long as you arent moving very quickly. Tracks the grooves in the road pretty bad, but toss that thing on a highway on ramp and you have never felt anything like it. People talk about cars handling like go-karts, Its a damn rollercoaster.
convertz is offline  
Old 10-13-2008, 11:26 PM
  #4  
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Bill Curlee's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2001
Location: Gales Ferry CT
Posts: 31,376
Received 1,424 Likes on 1,123 Posts
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Unless your doing road course events ,,,,,,improving your base suspension to something more sports car like is as easy and inexpensive as this:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1984955

If I had a base C5,,,this is what i would do.

An even better shock for that set up would be the C6 08 ZO6 shock. Their only $250 for all four and are a 100% direct bolt in. I have them on my 02 ZO6.

Bill C
Bill Curlee is offline  
Old 10-13-2008, 11:32 PM
  #5  
convertz
CF Senior Member
 
convertz's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: Livingston NJ
Posts: 518
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Curlee View Post
Unless your doing road course events ,,,,,,improving your base suspension to something more sports car like is as easy and inexpensive as this:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1984955

If I had a base C5,,,this is what i would do.

An even better shock for that set up would be the C6 08 ZO6 shock. Their only $250 for all four and are a 100% direct bolt in. I have them on my 02 ZO6.

Bill C

I run the stock springs, C6Z51 bars and Bilstein sport shocks, there about $275 a set. Great handling car, will run circles around a stock C5, and it remains a decent riding car with the stock spring rates. Gets rid of the floaty feeling and lots of body roll in the corners, very confidence inspiring, my car when stock felt like it would break loose unpredictably.
convertz is offline  
Old 10-13-2008, 11:35 PM
  #6  
rockgoped
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rockgoped's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: stockton - Near Sac. Town Cali
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

im not too worried about super comfortable suspension. i had coilovers on my pervious car and it wasnt horrible on the street but it wasnt extremely comfortable. I loved it! like you said it would handle like a freekin gokart. im no gramps so i can take more punishment then gm designed the average owner they designed them for.

i like the thought of the coilovers with the adjustable suspension in terms of ride hight and tampening.

something that handles like a race car for the most part but has good street manners. not a suspension that is pure race, track only.
rockgoped is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 12:43 AM
  #7  
dixonk
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
dixonk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Kansas City Missouri
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '09
Default

I have the Pfadt coilovers and I tell you what I think it is night and day difference. The coilovers really woke the car up and made it super responsive. I also recommend you get the Pfadt bushing kit as well. I don't know about the sway bars as I bought the Hotchkis adjustable sway bars. It seems like a lot of money for shocks but in the end you will be happy. Plus you get to lose the goofy leaf springs.
dixonk is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 08:59 AM
  #8  
Independent1
CF Senior Member
 
Independent1's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 3,799
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Originally Posted by rockgoped View Post
im not too worried about super comfortable suspension. i had coilovers on my pervious car and it wasnt horrible on the street but it wasnt extremely comfortable. I loved it! like you said it would handle like a freekin gokart. im no gramps so i can take more punishment then gm designed the average owner they designed them for.

i like the thought of the coilovers with the adjustable suspension in terms of ride hight and tampening.

something that handles like a race car for the most part but has good street manners. not a suspension that is pure race, track only.
^^The nice thing about the Pfadt coilovers and sway bars is that they are adjustable. So you can run them in a softer settings for cruising and in the stiffer settings when you want to maximize performance.
Independent1 is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 12:08 PM
  #9  
UWEBABY
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: TEMECULA CALIFORNIA
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
Default

Originally Posted by bill curlee View Post
unless your doing road course events ,,,,,,improving your base suspension to something more sports car like is as easy and inexpensive as this:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1984955

if i had a base c5,,,this is what i would do.

An even better shock for that set up would be the c6 08 zo6 shock. Their only $250 for all four and are a 100% direct bolt in. I have them on my 02 zo6.

Bill c
i agree with bill. Im older but did not like all the lean and floating in my 04. I put on the c6z06 shocks and c5z06 sways front and rear. They bolt right on and made a tremendous difference without spending a lot of money. I dont know about all the other shock and sway brands. Probably all good. But for the little money i spent i am tickled about the performance now.
Search this forum under october specials and see what gene at gmparthouse has for you. I found them very helpful.
UWEBABY is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 12:16 PM
  #10  
MagRedConv
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
MagRedConv's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Miami Beach FL
Posts: 12,946
Received 39 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

I used the Parts Board (both C5 & C6) and wound up with the following mods:

C6 Z06 shocks, take offs - 150 mi - $175.00 shipped
C6 Z06 sways and links, take offs - 150 mi - $225.00 shipped
C5 Z06 springs (front & rear) - 24k mi - $365.00 shipped

So I've got less than $800.00 invested and have a car that handles like it's on rails.
MagRedConv is online now  
Old 10-14-2008, 02:33 PM
  #11  
dixonk
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
dixonk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Kansas City Missouri
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '09
Default

I had the Z51 suspension package and had Bilstein HD shocks before I made the switch and I will still say that go ahead and spend the money and get some coilovers.
dixonk is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 02:36 PM
  #12  
AU N EGL
CF Senior Member
 
AU N EGL's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
Posts: 43,084
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

If your running coil overs, you want a softer sway bar, not a big T1 bar.
AU N EGL is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 04:10 PM
  #13  
VetteDrmr
CF Senior Member
 
VetteDrmr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2000
Location: Hot Springs AR
Posts: 7,832
Received 316 Likes on 184 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rockgoped View Post
im not too worried about super comfortable suspension. i had coilovers on my pervious car and it wasnt horrible on the street but it wasnt extremely comfortable. I loved it! like you said it would handle like a freekin gokart. im no gramps so i can take more punishment then gm designed the average owner they designed them for.

i like the thought of the coilovers with the adjustable suspension in terms of ride hight and tampening.

something that handles like a race car for the most part but has good street manners. not a suspension that is pure race, track only.
What you're going to get is something that will feel like it handles better on the street, but if you're on the same tires it won't really handle corners any better. It'll be stiffer, with a harsher ride, and therefore must be better.

Stock C5 suspension is pretty good out of the box. It does have body roll, and handles bumps pretty smoothly. Now, if the suspension parts are worn, that just needs to be fixed.

I'm not trying to talk you out of modding your car, I just want you to understand what it is you're really accomplishing.

Have a good one,
Mike
VetteDrmr is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 05:00 PM
  #14  
BitViper
CF Senior Member
 
BitViper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: Sandy Ego Ca.
Posts: 3,089
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by AU N EGL View Post
If your running coil overs, you want a softer sway bar, not a big T1 bar.
AU N EGL is right....I just added a T1 a few weeks ago....its HUGE!

Last edited by BitViper; 10-15-2008 at 07:20 PM.
BitViper is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 05:04 PM
  #15  
MattB
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
MattB's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Littleton Colorado
Posts: 1,590
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Pretty subjective question. I'd suggest the C6 Z06 shocks and the C6 Z51 bars. It will really change the ride a lot and make it more sure footed and gives more confidence. Springs, I'd stay with Z06 springs, but only if you need them.

IMO coilovers sound really cool, but if your not on the track they are mostly just PIA (pun intended). On the street my C6 z06 shocks and big sway bars felt really good, maybe better than my coilovers I have now (but still working on dialing them in). I would have stayed with that combo, except I broke a spring and decided coilovers was the way to go. I abuse my Vette on the road race course, so its not a bad choice for me.

I don't know how coilovers between different cars compare. IMO, the ones for the Vette are usually a very stiff spring because they are intended to be on the track at very high speeds. Other cars may have different design points, such as lower speeds and dual usage. Maybe not an apples to apples comparison.
MattB is offline  
Old 10-14-2008, 05:33 PM
  #16  
Switchbarrel
CF Senior Member
 
Switchbarrel's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Tracy CA
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Suspension

I'll be the first to admit, I don't know what the "best" suspension is. I have the Pfadt coilovers and Pfadt "street" sway bars on my car. I commute with my car so I keep my settings in the middle ground (not too stiff). The rear doesn't step out on bumps like it used to, it corners with less body roll, it's lowered and isn't too harsh. I spent the money and I don't miss it, so to me it's worth it.

I'm about 20 min. away in Tracy if you want to go for a ride. Just PM me.

-Rick



Originally Posted by rockgoped View Post
theres a bunch of suspension systems out there for our cars. from coilovers, to sways, to leaf springs.

Ive heard great things about the pfadt coilovers and sway bars.
but how good are they really.

what kind of comparision on a scale from one to ten is there verses stock suspension. Is it worth all that money!?

the T1 sway bars. are they better or worse than the pfadt sway bars?
Switchbarrel is offline  
Old 10-15-2008, 05:16 PM
  #17  
Pumba
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Pumba's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Northville Michigan
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
Received 83 Likes on 47 Posts
Default

I have progressed from the stock Z06 suspension - add '04 Z06 shocks - added T1 stabilizer bars - removed the T1 bars and installed Phaft Pfatty bars - Removed the Z06 front and rear springs and installed L.G. Motorsports coilovers.

This final setup - L.G. Motorsports coilovers and Phadt Phatty stabilizer bars is perfect for my driving, track days, and Open Road Racing.

The T1 bars were noisy. The 04 Z06 shocks were harsh over small movements. The stock Z06 springs were too soft and they tied both sides of the vehicle's suspension together, which you don't want.

I chose the L.G. Motorsports coilovers in preference to the Pfadt coilovers, because I do not have enough time to tune my shockabsorbers. L.G.M. has spent many hours with Bilstein tuning their coilover package and it is perfect for my Z06.


Pumba is offline  
Old 10-17-2008, 09:44 PM
  #18  
GettnBetter
CF Senior Member
 
GettnBetter's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Posts: 190
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Pumba View Post
I have progressed from the stock Z06 suspension - add '04 Z06 shocks - added T1 stabilizer bars - removed the T1 bars and installed Phaft Pfatty bars - Removed the Z06 front and rear springs and installed L.G. Motorsports coilovers.

This final setup - L.G. Motorsports coilovers and Phadt Phatty stabilizer bars is perfect for my driving, track days, and Open Road Racing.

The T1 bars were noisy. The 04 Z06 shocks were harsh over small movements. The stock Z06 springs were too soft and they tied both sides of the vehicle's suspension together, which you don't want.

I chose the L.G. Motorsports coilovers in preference to the Pfadt coilovers, because I do not have enough time to tune my shockabsorbers. L.G.M. has spent many hours with Bilstein tuning their coilover package and it is perfect for my Z06.


Those LG coilovers are also inverted reducing unsprung weight. How are those LG's lasting milagewise?
GettnBetter is offline  
Old 10-20-2008, 07:10 PM
  #19  
Pumba
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Pumba's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Northville Michigan
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
Received 83 Likes on 47 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GettnBetter View Post
Those LG coilovers are also inverted reducing unsprung weight. How are those LG's lasting milagewise?
The L.G. coilovers are doing great. Just this past Sunday I was in southeastern Ohio doing some vigorous driving on State Route 26 out of Marietta. My passenger was a former Corvette A Production National Champion and LeMans GT class winner. He made an unsolicited comment about how my Z06 rode and handled better than a C6 Z06 he has recently been in. He mentioned the lack of harness and skipping he had noticed in the C6 Z06's ride.

Pumba is offline  
Old 10-21-2008, 08:39 AM
  #20  
VetteDrmr
CF Senior Member
 
VetteDrmr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2000
Location: Hot Springs AR
Posts: 7,832
Received 316 Likes on 184 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Pumba View Post
The stock Z06 springs were too soft and they tied both sides of the vehicle's suspension together, which you don't want.
I'm glad you're happy with your setup. BTW, sway bars do exactly the same thing; tie both sides of the suspension together. Some of these sways are so big I just wonder "Why don't you just go back to a solid axle?"

Have a good one,
Mike
VetteDrmr is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Loneranger771377 (03-05-2017)

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Best Suspension!!!


Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: