Want to be around 350 RWHP - most cost effective method
#21
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The heads and intake are a great plan. Unless you have some over powering need to use STOCK parts, using a ZO6 cam isn't the best plan. There are some much better performance cams that are a little more aggressive than the ZO6 cam that perform MUCH better. If your pulling the cam for a swap,, might as well go bigger / better.
IF,,, and I mean IF,,, your budget absolutely demands using the least expensive performance parts,,,, yea,, that cam will do in a pinch.
IF,,, your going for a cam swap, its pretty much a NO BRAINIER to up grade to a Power Bond damper, LS2 Timing Chain, HD Push-rods, Timing Chain dampener (if your block is drilled for it) Melling Oil Pump.
You will also need new a damper seal, timing chain cover gasket, water Pump Gasket, Damper bolt,
IF,,, and I mean IF,,, your budget absolutely demands using the least expensive performance parts,,,, yea,, that cam will do in a pinch.
IF,,, your going for a cam swap, its pretty much a NO BRAINIER to up grade to a Power Bond damper, LS2 Timing Chain, HD Push-rods, Timing Chain dampener (if your block is drilled for it) Melling Oil Pump.
You will also need new a damper seal, timing chain cover gasket, water Pump Gasket, Damper bolt,
#22
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I completely agree. I was brainstorming in terms of the OP's goals and budget. If the OP could find someone willing to take 700-800 for the takeoff parts he might also be able to find someone willing to install them for around $1K. And an additional $500 tune wouldn't be absolutely neccessary with the Z06 cam either, although it would help. I know, a lot of "ifs" but within the realm of possibility.
#23
Melting Slicks
Just heads, cam and intake mani, could be had for 700-800, forget the catback.
#24
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I suppose if you feel comforable buying a used cam. That is one part I would never buy used.....but that's just me. Of course you are not considering the "while your in there" parts (considering this motor has 90K miles on it)....like oil pump, timing set, valve springs, seals, etc.
#25
Melting Slicks
I've seen high mileage roller cams come out looking perfect.
BTW: Most head/cam swaps are done on engines less than 50K, if the OP can find a low mileage doner car he could grab the timing set and oil pump off it too (usally for free), as these are usually upgraded to ported or high volume and an LS2 set on H/C cars.
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#26
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It's not about being a naysayer.....it's about being realistic. Setting a goal, with an unrealistic budget always leads to cutting corners....which in the end...can end up costing you twice as much..or more. I prefer to do things once, and doing them right. If I don't have the money to embark on a journey, that has the best chance for success, I just wait...and save up my money.
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It's not about being a naysayer.....it's about being realistic. Setting a goal, with an unrealistic budget always leads to cutting corners....which in the end...can end up costing you twice as much..or more. I prefer to do things once, and doing them right. If I don't have the money to embark on a journey, that has the best chance for success, I just wait...and save up my money.
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Here in CT,, I can wrangle up 10-12 C5/C6 owners and perform just about ANY repair from a belt swap to complete drive train swap. Its all about resourcing.
Ive given away free parts for numerous projects. Find the C5ers in your area and arrange a MOD party. Save all the cash for the COMPLETE MOD PROJECT.. Find some local experienced people willing to help you perform the improvements / repairs, get the parts as reasonable as possible and go for it.
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Ive given away free parts for numerous projects. Find the C5ers in your area and arrange a MOD party. Save all the cash for the COMPLETE MOD PROJECT.. Find some local experienced people willing to help you perform the improvements / repairs, get the parts as reasonable as possible and go for it.
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#29
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The heads and intake are a great plan. Unless you have some over powering need to use STOCK parts, using a ZO6 cam isn't the best plan. There are some much better performance cams that are a little more aggressive than the ZO6 cam that perform MUCH better. If your pulling the cam for a swap,, might as well go bigger / better.
IF,,, and I mean IF,,, your budget absolutely demands using the least expensive performance parts,,,, yea,, that cam will do in a pinch.
IF,,, your going for a cam swap, its pretty much a NO BRAINIER to up grade to a Power Bond damper, LS2 Timing Chain, HD Push-rods, Timing Chain dampener (if your block is drilled for it) Melling Oil Pump.
You will also need new a damper seal, timing chain cover gasket, water Pump Gasket, Damper bolt,
IF,,, and I mean IF,,, your budget absolutely demands using the least expensive performance parts,,,, yea,, that cam will do in a pinch.
IF,,, your going for a cam swap, its pretty much a NO BRAINIER to up grade to a Power Bond damper, LS2 Timing Chain, HD Push-rods, Timing Chain dampener (if your block is drilled for it) Melling Oil Pump.
You will also need new a damper seal, timing chain cover gasket, water Pump Gasket, Damper bolt,
Is there still someplace that sells those TC dampers, Bill?
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YES!!! Some one is using LS2 dampers and remanufacturing/machining them to fit as the LS1 damper!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS1-t...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS1-t...Q5fAccessories
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Awh CRAP,, Well,, it was there. Do a search.
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You guys are awesome - Those who say it can and can't be done, I appreciate the responses/opinions. I would rather not go the cam route, then again I have to really consider the fact that the engine does have 90k miles and so internal maintenance may have to be done to ensure reliability for the future and so if Im in there " I might as well...." comes to mind.
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Random inspections - I had to "test only" This past month in order to get my tags - LTs are $$$ too and to be honest I prefer to keep the sound level as resonable as possible
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I do appreciate you unidealistic point of views, not being sarcastic. I like hearing from both sides. But given the naked truth my abilities are limited mechanically, how would you feel if I said I was able to handle a TB, intake manifold swap and headers swap by myself?
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This article may help you? http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...des/index.html
My goals are similar to NightRiderC5.
Thanks to everyone else as well for all their input!
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i would go wtih a quick cam swap as well as a new intake and a nice tune (since your in cali comp GT will hook that up), get you there no problem.... i must say coming from Texas and now living in Los Angeles, California has some F*@%^ed up emissions laws, i even heared they are supposed to start smoggen motorcycle in 2013. what next they wont lawfully let me carry a concealed firearm? maybe outlaw gas all together?
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We have guys here in the auto-x and RR forum, that with 6 year old STOCK LS6 engines and a CAI, plus LTs are getting 350 RWHP with a tune.
LTs are not possible in CA, but good shorties a CAI and a great tune.
LTs are not possible in CA, but good shorties a CAI and a great tune.
#38
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To the OP, hang in there a couple of weeks and I'll have your answer for you. I have a Z06 intake and a set of used B&B shorty headers (the only CA legal shorties around) on the way and my Magnaflow x-pipe is sitting right next to me. While that's being done I'm also putting in a tunnel plate to stiffen it up more. I already have the ti cat-back - it made a nice difference in sound, but no power difference you could feel. I also have a Vararam installed already. Apparently the power difference with the VR doesn't show up on the dyno since there isn't any ram-air effect, but if they are good for the 3-4 tenths that it feels like it gives and many guys report picking up, then that alone is 30-40 hp (10hp per 1/10 at the times our cars run). I now after installing mine the big difference I found was dropping to 3rd at 75 and nailing it. The car now does 75-120 about as quickly as it does 0-60.
When I get mine done and tunes I'll post up the dyno results - hopefully that will help you decide.
When I get mine done and tunes I'll post up the dyno results - hopefully that will help you decide.
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To the OP, hang in there a couple of weeks and I'll have your answer for you. I have a Z06 intake and a set of used B&B shorty headers (the only CA legal shorties around) on the way and my Magnaflow x-pipe is sitting right next to me. While that's being done I'm also putting in a tunnel plate to stiffen it up more. I already have the ti cat-back - it made a nice difference in sound, but no power difference you could feel. I also have a Vararam installed already. Apparently the power difference with the VR doesn't show up on the dyno since there isn't any ram-air effect, but if they are good for the 3-4 tenths that it feels like it gives and many guys report picking up, then that alone is 30-40 hp (10hp per 1/10 at the times our cars run). I now after installing mine the big difference I found was dropping to 3rd at 75 and nailing it. The car now does 75-120 about as quickly as it does 0-60.
When I get mine done and tunes I'll post up the dyno results - hopefully that will help you decide.
When I get mine done and tunes I'll post up the dyno results - hopefully that will help you decide.
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Info HP in stages
C5 01 6spd coupe:
(1) K&N filter, Corsa Indy Pace Car Tigershark exh, w/ 3:42 stock axle = 309rwhp
(2) 160 stat, 18o fan on temp setting, 1 7/8" ARH w/catted X pipe, Exceedy dual disc clutch, dynotune, Halteck air intake, DTE stage 4/5 4:10 axle w/cage = 347rwhp.
(3) 243 milled ported sodium valve heads, comp cam and springs, ls2 chain, HO oil pump, DTE 3:90 axle = 437rwhp
(4) Mark Shanner 78mm ported TB, Oval DMH, RPM stage 5 trans,= est.450+rwhp
Hope this helps
(1) K&N filter, Corsa Indy Pace Car Tigershark exh, w/ 3:42 stock axle = 309rwhp
(2) 160 stat, 18o fan on temp setting, 1 7/8" ARH w/catted X pipe, Exceedy dual disc clutch, dynotune, Halteck air intake, DTE stage 4/5 4:10 axle w/cage = 347rwhp.
(3) 243 milled ported sodium valve heads, comp cam and springs, ls2 chain, HO oil pump, DTE 3:90 axle = 437rwhp
(4) Mark Shanner 78mm ported TB, Oval DMH, RPM stage 5 trans,= est.450+rwhp
Hope this helps