Reprogram Odometer after Cluster change
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Reprogram Odometer after Cluster change
Hi,
A friend of mine changed his cluster with a second hand cluster. He would like the cluster to display the correct mileage, I have a Tech2
Does anyone know the procedure to reprogramme the cluster so that it reflects the correct mileage?
Thank you very much,
Cédric
A friend of mine changed his cluster with a second hand cluster. He would like the cluster to display the correct mileage, I have a Tech2
Does anyone know the procedure to reprogramme the cluster so that it reflects the correct mileage?
Thank you very much,
Cédric
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Thanks Bill,
GM went bankrupt in Europe at this point in time there are only some offices in Belgium. Chevrolet in Europe is actually Daewoo that has been rebranded due to image issues.
Which is why I bought a Tech2; Corvette owners in France are taking care of the car themselves and the club organizes, once a year, a trip to the US to buy parts and puts them in a container.
So anyone know the process?
Thanks,
Cédric
GM went bankrupt in Europe at this point in time there are only some offices in Belgium. Chevrolet in Europe is actually Daewoo that has been rebranded due to image issues.
Which is why I bought a Tech2; Corvette owners in France are taking care of the car themselves and the club organizes, once a year, a trip to the US to buy parts and puts them in a container.
So anyone know the process?
Thanks,
Cédric
Last edited by CroOrange; Jun 26, 2011 at 06:36 PM.
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That's something that is apparently highly protected information and I would assume its for legal reasons. If there's anyone here on this forum that knows how, they aren't going to tell how here. I'm guessing that %99 of us won't know. Try looking online for a speedometer repair place and ask them via email. Again, I doubt they'll tell you due to the legalities. Sorry you aren't where you can accomplish this easily.
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That's something that is apparently highly protected information and I would assume its for legal reasons. If there's anyone here on this forum that knows how, they aren't going to tell how here. I'm guessing that %99 of us won't know. Try looking online for a speedometer repair place and ask them via email. Again, I doubt they'll tell you due to the legalities. Sorry you aren't where you can accomplish this easily.
Given that my friend just changed his cluster, I would think that programming the new cluster, albeit second hand, should be known. We don't want to change the mileage of the car; just have the correct mileage displayed.
Thanks,
Cédric
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Cedric, you're just not getting the serious legal consequence portion of this. You got a good answer from dgrant3830. If it can be changed, and that information is given out, everyone involved can go to jail. It's illegal in the US for the protection of buyers.
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If you want to reprogram the odometer you'll need that Tech II and a GM TIS subscription. The TIS sub is about $1300.... http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...eb-update.html
Or send it to a repair center and have it programmed.
PM'd too.
Or send it to a repair center and have it programmed.
PM'd too.
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From: Paris
Not to sure why you guys are all gung ho about this. He had a normal cluster, dropped it and replaced it with a cluster that has the HUD.
The issue is that cluster is not displaying the correct mileage, I therefore assume the new (second hand) cluster is not correctly recognised by the car.
For me the question is what is the process to correctly configure it?
Currently the mileage that is displayed is the old mileage plus the mileage of the second hand cluster.
The issue is that cluster is not displaying the correct mileage, I therefore assume the new (second hand) cluster is not correctly recognised by the car.
For me the question is what is the process to correctly configure it?
Currently the mileage that is displayed is the old mileage plus the mileage of the second hand cluster.
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The are no legal issues with respect to programming the odometer of a car.
It is illegal per Federal Odometer Act passed in 1972 to tamper with the odometer to misrepresent the actual miles an automobile.
The Act was intended to protect consumers buying used vehicles from odometer fraud, and is typically applied against sellers who intentionally tamper with an odometer to misrepresent the actual miles an automobile has been driven. However, in 2004 and 2006, two class action lawsuits were filed against American Honda Motor Co Inc and two of its suppliers alleging that they had violated the Federal Odometer Act because the odometers in approximately 6,000,000 Honda and Acura vehicles overstated the actual mileage by 2% to 4%
Also if it were illegal I would not be able to buy software, legally, to change the odometer, which I can do but won't because I have a Tech 2 and it should do the job ... just saying.
In this case, we want to get the correct mileage and therefore be in compliance with the law.
So if anyone would care to provide some insight, I would be grateful, if not I will figure it out myself.
Thanks,
Cédric
It is illegal per Federal Odometer Act passed in 1972 to tamper with the odometer to misrepresent the actual miles an automobile.
The Act was intended to protect consumers buying used vehicles from odometer fraud, and is typically applied against sellers who intentionally tamper with an odometer to misrepresent the actual miles an automobile has been driven. However, in 2004 and 2006, two class action lawsuits were filed against American Honda Motor Co Inc and two of its suppliers alleging that they had violated the Federal Odometer Act because the odometers in approximately 6,000,000 Honda and Acura vehicles overstated the actual mileage by 2% to 4%
Also if it were illegal I would not be able to buy software, legally, to change the odometer, which I can do but won't because I have a Tech 2 and it should do the job ... just saying.
In this case, we want to get the correct mileage and therefore be in compliance with the law.
So if anyone would care to provide some insight, I would be grateful, if not I will figure it out myself.
Thanks,
Cédric
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Your original, first post asked about the odometer and making it display the correct mileage on the car which we don't know how to do and as you acknowledged, its illegal to make changes other than to have it be the original mileage. We don't know how to do that. Now you are asking about the HUD. Assuming the new IPC has the small ribbon connector at the top center of it, also installing a HUD into the car, I think it'll work on its own. Now you might need a Tech 2 to program in the RPO code for the HUD, into the BCM but I'm truly not sure if that's needed to make it come to life.
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I don't know about the others, but what I am trying to tell you is that if you post on a public forum how to change mileage, not everyone would use that knowledge to "correct" the mileage. Believe it or not, there are dishonest car sellers out there who would lower the mileage and then ask more for the car.
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I don't know about the others, but what I am trying to tell you is that if you post on a public forum how to change mileage, not everyone would use that knowledge to "correct" the mileage. Believe it or not, there are dishonest car sellers out there who would lower the mileage and then ask more for the car.
Well actually here is the PM:
Originally Posted by CroOrange
Hi,
Lots of people doing it in the US, but I'm in France:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1570331314-post12.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1571608660-post30.html
And the list goes on and on and on ...
Like this gentleman stated:
Lots of people doing it in the US, but I'm in France:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1570331314-post12.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1571608660-post30.html
And the list goes on and on and on ...
Like this gentleman stated:
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So your saying,,,, The guys car had (lets say 50,000 original miles) and when you installed the NEW second hand cluster that had (lets say 10,000 miles on it) and now his car has a TOTAL of "60,000 miles??
Thats what if sounds like your saying.
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Thats what if sounds like your saying.
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I assume it's because he missed a setup procedure of some sorts or screwed up big time ... as I have the Tech II, he gave me call and asked if I could help out.
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Any chance you pushed the E/M button and you're looking at kilometers on the display?
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Well, here is what I found:
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...our-meter.html
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...ng-update.html
My understanding is: Tech2 + TIS2WEB Subscription (confirms KOZ post) or buy some programmer from eBay.
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...our-meter.html
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...ng-update.html
My understanding is: Tech2 + TIS2WEB Subscription (confirms KOZ post) or buy some programmer from eBay.
Attention: The purpose of this bulletin is to inform dealership personnel that the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) odometer and engine hour meter (when applicable) setting will no longer be performed at an Electronic Service Center (ESC). Dealerships will now receive IPCs with the odometer and engine hour meter not programmed. The technician will be required to note the odometer reading and engine hour (when applicable) values of the original IPC, then use the SPS application to program these values into the new IPC.
This bulletin is being revised to add the 2009 model year for certain vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-08-49-015B (Section 08 -- Body & Accessories).
Background Information
Current IPC replacement procedures specify that the season odometer and engine hour values be communicated to and programmed by the Electronic Service Centers (ESC) into the replacement IPC at the time the replacement is ordered. This required the vehicle to be parked after the replacement IPC is ordered so that no additional mileage can be accumulated on the vehicle while the new IPC is in transit to the dealership. Improvements to the TIS2WEB SPS application will now allow IPC odometer and engine hours programming to be performed as an additional function of the IPC programming event. This new process will allow the vehicle to be returned to the customer, if necessary, and driven while waiting for the replacement IPC to arrive at the dealership. Odometer and engine hour values will no longer be communicated to the ESC for programming purposes but ESCs still need the odometer value for warranty reporting. Dealerships will now receive replacement IPCs with the season odometer and engine hours values not programmed. The technician will be required to note the season odometer and engine hour values of the original IPC, then use the TIS2WEB SPS application to program these values into the replacement IPC. The odometer and engine hour programming will now be included as a normal part of the IPC replacement procedure in SI.
This bulletin is being revised to add the 2009 model year for certain vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-08-49-015B (Section 08 -- Body & Accessories).
Background Information
Current IPC replacement procedures specify that the season odometer and engine hour values be communicated to and programmed by the Electronic Service Centers (ESC) into the replacement IPC at the time the replacement is ordered. This required the vehicle to be parked after the replacement IPC is ordered so that no additional mileage can be accumulated on the vehicle while the new IPC is in transit to the dealership. Improvements to the TIS2WEB SPS application will now allow IPC odometer and engine hours programming to be performed as an additional function of the IPC programming event. This new process will allow the vehicle to be returned to the customer, if necessary, and driven while waiting for the replacement IPC to arrive at the dealership. Odometer and engine hour values will no longer be communicated to the ESC for programming purposes but ESCs still need the odometer value for warranty reporting. Dealerships will now receive replacement IPCs with the season odometer and engine hours values not programmed. The technician will be required to note the season odometer and engine hour values of the original IPC, then use the TIS2WEB SPS application to program these values into the replacement IPC. The odometer and engine hour programming will now be included as a normal part of the IPC replacement procedure in SI.
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