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Old Jun 29, 2013 | 12:37 PM
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I grow weary of my Texas Speed cam Texas Speed Torquer V2 232/234 .595"/.598" Camshaft. Apart from my 3000 stall converter, everyone says go with 3.73's but I like my highway gears.

What cam is great for torque and low speed drivability? I assume something with a sub 22* duration and will work with the trusty...or not so trusty 4l60e and 3.15 gears.
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Well, I think what you ~really~ need is a stock cam from a '98 A4! I could do you a favor and trade you straight up!

I hope someone chimes in...I've spent the last two weeks reading, researching, and debating the same issue. I ~do not~ want 3:42's or 3:73's, because I don't want to lose the top end (I have a 3:15 rear on the way to replace my 2:73) and plan to replace the TQ converter as soon as I get the cam selection narrowed down.

My planned mods are, in this order:
1. Replace the 2:73 with a 3:15
2. Install LT headers
3. Install an LS6 intake
4. Replace cam and TQ converter

The headers and intake brands are easy to figure out....LG for headers, and GM for the intake. I'll probly go with a Precision TQ converter. The cam selection has me....going in circles.

I do not intend to ever put the car on a track...1/4 mile or otherwise.
I DO intend to fully enjoy the (frequent) acceleration to...shall we say...high speeds. Where I live there are roads that are just begging to be driven hard, where a long TQ curve will really make you smile.

I read a post a while back where the OP listed his mods, and the SOTP as well as the dyno results...his result was EXACTLY what I want in my car, but wouldn't you know it, I didn't bookmark it, now I can't find it! I've used the "search" feature on the forum, but "best cam" nets about 4 billion hits, mostly for other than a C5.

Sooo.... any thoughts? Which cam for my car? anyone?
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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 03:34 AM
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I would contact Tick Motorsports and ask Martin. He will either set you up with a shelf cam that will make you happy, or he also offers custom grinds.

Go over to LS1 Tech....cam guys are there.

I have a Pat G custom, it's 226/230, right at .600" lift and 114 lobe sep. It's quite good. Mellow, yet the car is knocking on the 10's.

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What is the LSA of the cam you are running? A smaller LSA will push the torque down in RPM and since you have a stall that may be an option.

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i talked to comp about this, if i remember correctly they said 220/222 area with 114 to 116lsa. should give the 1300-5800 power.

mine is 224/224 116lsa no problems with idle, strong power 1800-6000rpm range

I have the 3:15 gears and im happy with it
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I researched this and chose a 222/228 114lsa cam. Its currently being installed, but my tuner agrees that it will hit hard off the line and pull hard in the low end.This duration will also give you another 1k rpm up top making it an significant improvement throughout the entire rpm band and as stated, quite a bit more on top from stock. Obviously some top end will be lost going from a 232/234 cam. But I think worth it for the fun factor of the low end.

A 224/224 or 224/228 would be good. I went 222 to insure cali emissions compliance. Would rather have gone 224.int and 112lsa
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
I would contact Tick Motorsports and ask Martin. He will either set you up with a shelf cam that will make you happy, or he also offers custom grinds.

Go over to LS1 Tech....cam guys are there.

I have a Pat G custom, it's 226/230, right at .600" lift and 114 lobe sep. It's quite good. Mellow, yet the car is knocking on the 10's.

Ron
Read a lot about Pat G, your cam sounds like mine. Does your low end power suffer?

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Well, I think what you ~really~ need is a stock cam from a '98 A4! I could do you a favor and trade you straight up!
I have 3.15's, LT headers, LS6 intake and ported '99 heads and 3k stall


Originally Posted by vettenuts
What is the LSA of the cam you are running? A smaller LSA will push the torque down I RPM and since you have a stall that may be an option.
LSA is 113

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I researched this and chose a 222/228 114lsa cam. Its currently being installed, but my tuner agrees that it will hit hard off the line and pull hard in the low end.This duration will also give you another 1k rpm up top making it an significant improvement throughout the entire rpm band and as stated, quite a bit more on top from stock. Obviously some top end will be lost going from a 232/234 cam. But I think worth it for the fun factor of the low end.

A 224/224 or 224/228 would be good. I went 222 to insure cali emissions compliance. Would rather have gone 224.int and 112lsa
I like the lumpy idle, and just want the torque that should go with it. The top end you speak of does not hit hard with this cam, not in comparison to how soggy the bootom end is. Lost to a supercharged Tundra from a roll. It wasn't by much...but a loss is a loss
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Originally Posted by Kainedogg
I like the lumpy idle, and just want the torque that should go with it. The top end you speak of does not hit hard with this cam, not in comparison to how soggy the bootom end is. Lost to a supercharged Tundra from a roll. It wasn't by much...but a loss is a loss
If that cam doent do its job in high end power either, Id definitely want a new cam too. Lots of guys run low to mid 220 cams and on a 112lsa. They all seem to love it. I think that would be good for you.

By the way, I am running a 3200 stall and 3.42s. I will have a great low end set up. Im worried about my high end now! haha. But I hope to have good all around power.
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Thanks Nuke. I was talking to a bud who I bought the car from and he had a "friend" Port the stock heads. Made me wonder if the heads got hogged out...I have no proof but I know the cam...which was supposed to be mean on the streets...sucks monkey ballz. I should have started with a stock car then worked my way up. By buying his "combo" I don't know what is what. The stall isn't even a name brand one.
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One other thought, have you considered 3.42's? Easily available since it is the stock MN6 differential. That would give a bit more torque without tearing into the motor again but isn't as deep as the 3.73's would be.
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I love my 224/232 on a 114 with 2800 vigilante. Drives like stock and tons of torque. I've had it in over a year now and no regrets. Before I had the
auto conversion done I had a 228/232 on a 110 and could never get
it tuned where it didn't stall at stoplights or rpm's jump up and down.
It was tuned at a very popular shop down in Georgia, twice.

Got to where I didn't even like driving it. With this cam and the auto
now anything below 35 or 40 the tires will lose traction when I stomp
it with the 3:42's I had put in it. Haven't had it on a dyno since but it's
got all the power I want.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
One other thought, have you considered 3.42's? Easily available since it is the stock MN6 differential. That would give a bit more torque without tearing into the motor again but isn't as deep as the 3.73's would be.
I like my 3.15's and think they are a good compromise for high way driving..which I do a lot of

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I love my 224/232 on a 114 with 2800 vigilante. Drives like stock and tons of torque. I've had it in over a year now and no regrets. Before I had the
auto conversion done I had a 228/232 on a 110 and could never get
it tuned where it didn't stall at stoplights or rpm's jump up and down.
It was tuned at a very popular shop down in Georgia, twice.

Got to where I didn't even like driving it. With this cam and the auto
now anything below 35 or 40 the tires will lose traction when I stomp
it with the 3:42's I had put in it. Haven't had it on a dyno since but it's
got all the power I want.
I am seriously searching now for a cam like yours. What is the lift? If I have enough torque then the 3.15's will be just fine. I need the steeper gears to get into the power band faster. If the band is lower or torquier then my gears should be fine. She is a cruiser/bruiser...lol
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Originally Posted by MY1STPEWTER
I love my 224/232 on a 114 with 2800 vigilante. Drives like stock and tons of torque. I've had it in over a year now and no regrets. Before I had the
auto conversion done I had a 228/232 on a 110 and could never get
it tuned where it didn't stall at stoplights or rpm's jump up and down.
It was tuned at a very popular shop down in Georgia, twice.

Got to where I didn't even like driving it. With this cam and the auto
now anything below 35 or 40 the tires will lose traction when I stomp
it with the 3:42's I had put in it. Haven't had it on a dyno since but it's
got all the power I want.


Spartan did my build and HIGHLY recommended 342 as a minimum with my setup. I have not dyno'd it, but it has a lot of torque low to mid..
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Bill,

that confirms for me that I need to change my cam to something with less duration then. If it can't work with the 3.15's, I just don't want it. I feel confident If I installed 3.73's I would probably fall in love with my cam...until I got on the highway for 20 minutes each way and opt to blow my brains out...lol
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Originally Posted by Kainedogg
I like my 3.15's and think they are a good compromise for high way driving..which I do a lot of



I am seriously searching now for a cam like yours. What is the lift? If I have enough torque then the 3.15's will be just fine. I need the steeper gears to get into the power band faster. If the band is lower or torquier then my gears should be fine. She is a cruiser/bruiser...lol
610/610. I don't do a whole lot of interstate driving but when I do I still get 27 or 28 mpg. Not sure about your 3:15's, but I really like the 3:42's with my combo.

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Spartan did my build and HIGHLY recommended 342 as a minimum with my setup. I have not dyno'd it, but it has a lot of torque low to mid..
Josh does great work. I wish I had known about him when I had my first cam. He installed my current cam and did a great job tuning it. Drives like stock but will blister the hell out of those tires.
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You are knocking down 28 mpgs!? You lie sir...lol. Is it a stick? What are your mods again? I see 20's on the highway but average 14.3 overall. About 270 miles per tank....suspect
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Originally Posted by MY1STPEWTER
610/610. I don't do a whole lot of interstate driving but when I do I still get 27 or 28 mpg. Not sure about your 3:15's, but I really like the 3:42's with my combo.



Josh does great work. I wish I had known about him when I had my first cam. He installed my current cam and did a great job tuning it. Drives like stock but will blister the hell out of those tires.
Yep. He is now a sponsor on this forum. He will be doing my heads in a month or so.
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Bill,

that confirms for me that I need to change my cam to something with less duration then. If it can't work with the 3.15's, I just don't want it. I feel confident If I installed 3.73's I would probably fall in love with my cam...until I got on the highway for 20 minutes each way and opt to blow my brains out...lol
Stock I was running 81 mph at 2000 rpm with the 273's and getting ~30mpg hwy.

After mods 81 mph at 2500 rpm and getting ~28 mpg.

I love my 342"s!!!
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Originally Posted by Kainedogg
You are knocking down 28 mpgs!? You lie sir...lol. Is it a stick? What are your mods again? I see 20's on the highway but average 14.3 overall. About 270 miles per tank....suspect
Ha ha, see above. City driving all depends on the right foot.
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Originally Posted by MY1STPEWTER
Ha ha, see above. City driving all depends on the right foot.
Yeah more like 14mpg average for me. I do a lot of city driving.
It's all a game of give and take! Don't take if you can't give

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