C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Power curve

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 3, 2017 | 09:28 AM
  #1  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default Power curve

need some help and some brainstorming. I've looked at threads for the last week on this concern and can't find what I'm looking for. Any help would be appreciated. Looking for lost power and torque. Old setup was 243, LS6 intake, vrx4 cam. New is tf 220, dorman ls2, vrx4 cam. If I compare to the rest of the internet, I think I'm down about 30-50whp. The curve is the same, just low in my opinion. The only comparison I have is a c5z with just a cam made 430/390. Same dyno and tuner that I was on. Anything look out of place here. I appreciate and input and ideas, thank you!
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2017 | 02:31 PM
  #2  
493lszosix's Avatar
493lszosix
Pro
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 660
Likes: 181
From: Knoxville TN
Default

What cc are the heads? I'm not familiar with that intake but using a fast 102 for example and say you left them at 64cc I would expect at least 430+. If they were milled to 59cc then I would expect between 450-470 on 93 octane
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2017 | 02:42 PM
  #3  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Chambers are 64cc. Intake is a fast 92 knockoff. I've thought about either plugged cats or mechanical timing. But running out of ideas
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2017 | 12:00 AM
  #4  
Roddy13's Avatar
Roddy13
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 935
Likes: 103
Default

Have you ran it down the track?

trap speed would be nice to see. That dyno might just read low.

compression test?
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2017 | 06:47 AM
  #5  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

I'm planning on going to the track next wedsday. I did a cranking compression test and got results of 145-150 psi. Not sure if that tells me anything. Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2017 | 09:15 AM
  #6  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

hypothetically, if the chain was off, what would it do? It drives fine but could it cause a concern such as I have? Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2017 | 06:52 PM
  #7  
Bill Curlee's Avatar
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor
Supporting Lifetime Gold
Veteran: Navy
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 32,910
Likes: 2,402
From: Anthony TX
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Did you have the PCM retuned to the new stuff???

What is fuel pressure at WOT????

Injector size???


NOTE. There is no machanical timing other than the timing chain alignment.

DATA LOG the PCM and see what the MAF, MAP, Knock Retard, etc............... are doing.

Bill
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2017 | 08:15 PM
  #8  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

I did have it tuned, yes. Not sure what fuel pressure is at WOT. 36lb an hour injectors. Not sure if I could log those since I don't have software but I may be able too. What kind of values would I be looking for?? Thank you!
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jul 6, 2017 | 08:55 PM
  #9  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Borrowed the scan tool from my work and logged some things. I don't know what they mean tho. Basically from 2500 to 6500 the MAP is at 14 psi. MAF starts and .19 lbs and climbs to .49 lbs by the end. No knock retard and spark was 26 degrees. Does any of this help? Thank you in advance.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2017 | 09:39 PM
  #10  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

any other help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2017 | 10:37 PM
  #11  
StingrayRebel's Avatar
StingrayRebel
Acct Suspended APR 2026 by request
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 10,367
Likes: 1,272
2020 Corvette of the Year Finalist (performance mods)
C5 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
Default

do you have headers??... if I'm reading the graphs right you went from about 375/360 to 400/375 by swapping heads and intakes?... or did you lose power after swapping heads/intakes?
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2017 | 10:38 PM
  #12  
493lszosix's Avatar
493lszosix
Pro
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 660
Likes: 181
From: Knoxville TN
Default

Is the yellow line on the graph before you installed the heads?

little details like push rod length, using the right springs and so on can add up, are you using the springs that came with the heads? I think their for heavier roller rockers but I could be wrong, what rocker arms are you using?

I'm running the tfs 215, the tfs heads are good heads and make good power, the 220's are very close power wise

what throttle body are you running, ls2, if your still running the stock one that could be choking it down, do you have aftermarket air intake
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2017 | 06:33 AM
  #13  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Originally Posted by neutron82
do you have headers??... if I'm reading the graphs right you went from about 375/360 to 400/375 by swapping heads and intakes?... or did you lose power after swapping heads/intakes?
I have 1 3/4 inch stainless works headers and x-pipe. 375/360 was cncd 243's and LS6 intake. 400/375 was tfs and dls2. Thank
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2017 | 06:36 AM
  #14  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Originally Posted by 493lszosix
Is the yellow line on the graph before you installed the heads?

little details like push rod length, using the right springs and so on can add up, are you using the springs that came with the heads? I think their for heavier roller rockers but I could be wrong, what rocker arms are you using?

I'm running the tfs 215, the tfs heads are good heads and make good power, the 220's are very close power wise

what throttle body are you running, ls2, if your still running the stock one that could be choking it down, do you have aftermarket air intake
I measured for pushrod length and put in tfs 7.500. Using stock rockers with trunnion upgrade. Using an ls2 throttle body. And o have a black wing. Thanks!
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2017 | 07:38 AM
  #15  
vettenuts's Avatar
vettenuts
Team Owner
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 22,025
Likes: 192
From: At the beach in little Rhody
Default

IMO, the only unfamiliar item is the Dorman intake. Might try swapping the LS6 back in and see if you get the power back. Also, do you know the duty cycle of the injectors or did you install larger?

Last edited by vettenuts; Jul 8, 2017 at 07:39 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2017 | 08:10 AM
  #16  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Originally Posted by vettenuts
IMO, the only unfamiliar item is the Dorman intake. Might try swapping the LS6 back in and see if you get the power back. Also, do you know the duty cycle of the injectors or did you install larger?
unfortunately, I sold the intake already. Oops. I have 36lb injectors. Thanks.
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2017 | 12:24 PM
  #17  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default


Took it apart to verify timing marks. All good there. Has a one keyway crank sprocket. Anything else to check as long as I'm in here??
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Power curve

Old Jul 11, 2017 | 01:01 PM
  #18  
mykream's Avatar
mykream
Burning Brakes
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,209
Likes: 363
From: Massillon Ohio
Default

I would run the car at the track, report back here with your info.

Weight of the car with you in it as well.

This is the only real way to see what the car is actually making.
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2017 | 01:27 PM
  #19  
99blkfrc99's Avatar
99blkfrc99
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 638
Likes: 70
Default

Sounds good. Is there some sort of equation for that? Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2017 | 01:29 PM
  #20  
mykream's Avatar
mykream
Burning Brakes
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,209
Likes: 363
From: Massillon Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by 99blkfrc99
Sounds good. Is there some sort of equation for that? Thanks

http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:56 AM.

story-0
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-1
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-4
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-5
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-7
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE