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228 isn’t a big cam. MS4 is closer to Street sweeper cam specs.G5x3 is a good cam too.
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233/240 .629" .600" LSA 108
or a 228r cam in a 110 lsa. what are the pros and cons of either of them. ( you won't convince me to go higher lsa 110 and 108 just sound too good
). If I'm making a huge mistake please let me know lol. Thanks for all the help guys.
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You won’t get 450 on a basically stock LS1 with just a cam. And there is no way I’d ever do the swap without upgrading things like the balancer, timing chain, lifters, trunnions. I don’t care how many miles are on them. You’re increasing the HP which increases the stress on 20 year old parts that are prone to failure. My time is worth way more to me. Those stock heads will always hold the engine back from making real power.
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You won’t get 450 on a basically stock LS1 with just a cam. And there is no way I’d ever do the swap without upgrading things like the balancer, timing chain, lifters, trunnions. I don’t care how many miles are on them. You’re increasing the HP which increases the stress on 20 year old parts that are prone to failure. My time is worth way more to me. Those stock heads will always hold the engine back from making real power.
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thanks for the help. I'll get a quote on the price. To be honest i don't have a lot of money for mods right now I'm trying to stay under 2700 out the door for a cam and headers. figuring I can get the cam and everything else that needs to be upgraded for 1000 and then 700 for the headers, and 1000 for the install. That's just my ballpark guess. Will The BFD in a 108 or 109 lsa drive like dog ****? because if it will than i will go with the 228r in a 110 lsa.
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"drive like dogshit" is really a matter of opinion. I daily my car with a Torquer V4 and don't have any issue with the way it drives. I left the stock heads alone (minus springs, of course) and plan to do new ones later, but like you, I was on a budget and I know I can personally replace them later, so labor is of no consequence to me.
I think $1k for the install, with a tune, is optimistic. You might want to call and get some estimates and then go from there. No matter what cam you go with, the labor isn't going to change. Start with that part since it's your constant, and then plan/save accordingly.
I think $1k for the install, with a tune, is optimistic. You might want to call and get some estimates and then go from there. No matter what cam you go with, the labor isn't going to change. Start with that part since it's your constant, and then plan/save accordingly.
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"drive like dogshit" is really a matter of opinion. I daily my car with a Torquer V4 and don't have any issue with the way it drives. I left the stock heads alone (minus springs, of course) and plan to do new ones later, but like you, I was on a budget and I know I can personally replace them later, so labor is of no consequence to me.
I think $1k for the install, with a tune, is optimistic. You might want to call and get some estimates and then go from there. No matter what cam you go with, the labor isn't going to change. Start with that part since it's your constant, and then plan/save accordingly.
I think $1k for the install, with a tune, is optimistic. You might want to call and get some estimates and then go from there. No matter what cam you go with, the labor isn't going to change. Start with that part since it's your constant, and then plan/save accordingly.
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A cam swap is more than 8 hours. You’ve got to pull the steering rack to get the harmonic balancer off. There may be some shops that have it down but I bet there still billing 12-15 hours.
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holy ****. is there any way possible I can get headers and a cam done for under 3500 out the door??? even that's pushing my budget to the limit.
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yes easily. If you do the work. Expect around 1200$ labor for cam and header install. Any time you have a “ quality” shop go deep inside a motor you will pay.
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And if you pay someone to do it, you'd better check those fittings on the steering rack lines to/from the pump to see if they're dogged up.
It sounds like a great opportunity to learn and become self reliant. Spend a fraction of the money on tools. Install everything yourself with guidance from here or YouTube or a buddy. And then you know it was done right, as well as how to service different pieces if they need some love later on. Such as your blower belt goes. Instead of relying on someone else, you can get it done in fifteen minutes.
It sounds like a great opportunity to learn and become self reliant. Spend a fraction of the money on tools. Install everything yourself with guidance from here or YouTube or a buddy. And then you know it was done right, as well as how to service different pieces if they need some love later on. Such as your blower belt goes. Instead of relying on someone else, you can get it done in fifteen minutes.
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And if you pay someone to do it, you'd better check those fittings on the steering rack lines to/from the pump to see if they're dogged up.
It sounds like a great opportunity to learn and become self reliant. Spend a fraction of the money on tools. Install everything yourself with guidance from here or YouTube or a buddy. And then you know it was done right, as well as how to service different pieces if they need some love later on. Such as your blower belt goes. Instead of relying on someone else, you can get it done in fifteen minutes.
It sounds like a great opportunity to learn and become self reliant. Spend a fraction of the money on tools. Install everything yourself with guidance from here or YouTube or a buddy. And then you know it was done right, as well as how to service different pieces if they need some love later on. Such as your blower belt goes. Instead of relying on someone else, you can get it done in fifteen minutes.
Just time. And if it's not your daily driver, you can definitely learn a lot along the way without being in a rush.
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it is my daily.. I'm not risking ******* it up if you know what I mean.I'm heading to a shop in a few hours here.. I'll let you know what the quote is.
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My 2 sons and I did everything in a weekend. That included balancer, headers, cam, timing chain, oil pump, intake manifold, throttle body, valve springs, x-pipe, and cat-back system. Had to go to Ace Hardware for some wooden dowel to hold up the lifters. Also had to get a valve spring compressor that would work without removing the heads, but other than that, no 'special' tools were required. The parts, fluids, pizza, and beer was the most expensive things.