Rich,

How can so many people be all wrong?

See:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/max.jsp

 

One more time.... They DID NOT test the Kumho MX which is the tire for the C5 and the tire under discussion. Your "one notch lower" comment has no validity.

 

Because it is people filling out a survey on all kinds of different cars. Not one of these is a head to head comparison on C5s.


Of the tests you you metioned above only 12 of these respondents were drivers of C5s and not one of them has had any experience with the Kumho and the vast majority were just replacing Goodyear EMTs.

Take a look at the survey results for the Corvette driver's with the Kumho MX.


This is just people's impression of how THEIR single tire has performed. I have owned and raced both the Bridgestone S03 and Kumho MX on the same C5. I found no difference with the exception that the MX seems to have slightly higher wet grip. That is a head to head comparison.

I'm not saying the Kumho is the end all tire but you can't keep saying other tire are better based on a Consumers Report test that didn't even test the tire under discussion or a survey filled out by tire owners, most of who don't even own Corvettes and aren't doing comparisons.

.

 

Rich,
Maybe we could do a non biased survey on here and list the brands we want to know about? I had a post awhile back about the Falken 451's and i have gotten very good response about the tires, thats why I got them.

 

Bruce,

I'm not sure how much hard information we could get as most people are just moving from EMTs to their second set of tires and don't have a lot to compare.

BTW did you ever find that Falken test that you tried to send me but I only got an HTML tag on?

 

I find it hilarious that even though you have NEVER tested the GSD3s, you insist that the Kuhmos are just as good. I have read a few articles/tests now that noted the GSD3s jump above former "King of the Hill" tires. The GSD3 design is newer than that of almost every other super tire out there. You seem to be the type of person who will insist that the C5 is equal to or better than the C6. Heck, I can throw on some Sumitomos and rave about them, since they would be compared to my OEM tires. What does that prove?

As far as asking members for their opinions based upon actual use, I'd say that this is a bad idea, particularly since the GSD3s are so new. It'd be like the frequent airbox poll. Blackwing always wins, not because it is the best, but because it is cheaper than most and is a bump-up from the stock system. Ditto for Kuhmos.

 

:iagree:

 

I lost faith in your posting when you cited consumers report test that didn't even include the correct tire.

Since you have no evidence to your claims of supposed superiroity you resort to attacks.

When you have some credible tests that both the SO3 and D3s are "a cut above" get back to us. But, at least, befroe you do check what tire you are citing in a test.

 

:lol:

 

Rich,

Call Tirerack and ask to speak to any tire tester (as I have). Now ask him or her about how the Kuhmos compare to the GSD3s. After you find out what their opinion is, get back to us.

:thumbs:

 

Well, I have to admit that although I asked the same questions a few months ago, I had to ask a different Tirerack expert, primarily because of your lingering doubts.

So, I called our good friends at the Tirerack at 4:30 (Pacific) PM and asked again. Here's how the conversation went:

Me: " I have a 2001 Corvette and would like to know which of these two tires you would recommend if performance (wet and dry) is my primary concern."

TR: "Okay, which tires are you interested in?"

Me: "The Goodyear GSD3s and the Kuhmo MX"

TR: " Well, although the Kuhmos are cheaper to buy, the Goodyears are the better tire."

Me: "Would you say that the GYs are better in dry or wet conditions?"

TR: "BOTH. We have found that the Goodyears are superior tires in every way."

Me: "When was the last time the Kuhmos were redesigned or when were the MXs introduced?"

TR: " I would say a couple of years ago. The GY design is very new."

Me: "Ah, this is just what I thought. Thank you and have a great weekend."

TR: "Any time."

In summation, I would say that no, you certainly don't have to take MY word for it. Ask any tire expert and see what he or she says! :cheers:

 

I run on Tire Racks track. I race with one of their most enthusiastic sales people. To my knowledge not one of them owns a C5 and very few of them have ever raced. There are some exceptions but they have never tested these tires on a C5 to my knowledge. I would love to know who you talked to BTW

You may be very well right that the D3 is a better tire but citing a phone conversation with a salesperson and posting the results of an article that doesn't even test the correct tire (still don't know how you did that!) doesn't prove a lot.

BTW when was the last time you had a salesperson pick the cheapest tire and tell you it was the best? Maybe never?

 

According to your reasoning then, the Tirerack person should've mentioned Michelins. Aren't they the most expensive tires for C5s? Remember, this person was the second person whom I have spoken to there that told me the D3s are the better tire. If you want, I'll call a few more and ask them what they think. However, I guarantee you that they will all say the same thing the first two said.

 

If it's a Z06, get BFG G-Force KDs... they are by far the best handleing tire out there! :cheers:

 

Now there is real selective editing.

Still waiting to hear why you chose a Consumers Report test that didn't even have the right tire.

But as long as you insist let's use Tire Rack.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html

Bottom line the D3 didn't test out to be any better than the S03 in fact it tested slightly below the S03 in the combined road and track handling (7.94 to 7.97).
I have owned S03s and now have Kumho MXs. I have raced both tires and I have taken road trips on both tires. I do not feel the S03s are better than the MXs. I have not seen tests that show the S03s are better than the MX. I have seen tests that give the edge to S03s over the D3.

I've typed about as much as I want to on this. If you are going to reply at least reply to my key points. For me I'm through arguing with you on this.
Be happy with your purchase but don't tell people it is superior unless you have first hand experience or some definitive test to cite (that uses the right tire!)

 

Boy, this thread has just gone from bad to worse. Enough with who thinks what tire is better. I asked a simple question. All I wanted was a simple answer. I can tell you that both dad and I don't give a damn about consumer reports or any crap like that. We both want real world results. Not some friggin test results. I don't trust test results cause they always seemed rigged. This is just my OPINION. I have no facts to base my OPINION on. I want real people to tell me their real experiences about their tires. Not some blasted consumer report or some tire salesman opinion.

 

Get the Kumho MXs. I have run 2 sets of those and one set of Bridgestone S03s. I believe the Kumhos are the best bang for the buck. Also I would replace all four tires at one time.

 

How do you ask for advice/info on tires, then get pissed 'cause you don't like the info one member is giving? :skep: :skep:

 

:smash: :smash: :smash: And I bet I wouldn't be able to tell the dif between the two of them, I would go with the cheaper ones. If it's that close save your money for other things. :smash: :smash: :yesnod: :cheers:

 

I am going to go with the F1GSD3's myself. Good luck with your choice...