Ultra Embarrising Upset!
Burning Brakes
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From: Overland Park KS
Originally Posted by freemanj
Ask him how much work he has wasted in that Piece of Crap and you will proably laugh! Let me share something my dad told me when I purchased my first sports car!
1. There is always something faster than you
2. Theres is always soemthing fast than you that is uglier(SP) too.
3. Pick your battles carefully, you just might get smoked!
1. There is always something faster than you
2. Theres is always soemthing fast than you that is uglier(SP) too.
3. Pick your battles carefully, you just might get smoked!
So this quote is good advice!
Last edited by nwdanner; Sep 30, 2004 at 01:33 PM.
Melting Slicks
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Uh oh, Sho invasion.
Fred, go with the GTO, no brainer. You want to replace a 14 year old Taurus with a 14 year old Porsche, as opposed to a brand new car? C'mon.
As for me, currently at 400rwhp Im sure I dont need to sweat the C6 all that much. By the time the C6 Z06 rolls around, I will have something for that, too, hopefully.
Fred, go with the GTO, no brainer. You want to replace a 14 year old Taurus with a 14 year old Porsche, as opposed to a brand new car? C'mon.
As for me, currently at 400rwhp Im sure I dont need to sweat the C6 all that much. By the time the C6 Z06 rolls around, I will have something for that, too, hopefully.
2nd Gear
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I think I know the race that's being discussed here. It was posted at the SHO Forum not long ago. Tony calls this guy "Cupcake", but I think that's just Tony being funny. In the description of the race, there was no NOS used and 2 car lengths were pulled with both cars spinning tires at launch.
When the race with the Ducatti took place, then NOS was used. They were almost even till 3rd gear when the NOS was used, and then a car length or two was pulled on the Ducatti. Also, there was a 20 or 40mph roll with the Ducatti, because the guy didn't want to flip the bike at take-off. So...on the highway with a Ducatti, it's even unless he's squeezing, and 2 car lengths on a Z06 with light mods from a dead stop. That's not too bad...
Also, you probably don't want to challenge him to a race in the twisties either, because it's very possible that there would be yet another upset. The LSSHO Club goes on high speed "runs" up to 4 times a year on very secluded roads (240-380 mile runs). They take broad turns at upwards of 100-120mph...even in the rain, I kid you not. There are stock and moddified SHOs.
I was on a run where there was rain the entire time, and there was no probleming handling the cars at high speeds. The fact that they're FWD cars makes it much easier to take high speed turns without worry about throwing the rear end out because the rear tires are being pulled through the turn instead of pushing the car with heavy torque causing increased potential for loosing traction. The cars were made for some fairly high speed twisties. Ford Racing used a '92 Taurus SHO to road race for many years.
And as for the top speed...the car has been caught on video pegging out the 140 limit with continued acceloration upwards of 160+ (more left in it too). The car revs to 8500rpms where it puts out its max power at something like 15-18psi. Twistes and high speed stuff may not be the best way to go to show him up, unless you both start at like 140 and go to 180...then you might win.
Whoever gave the advice of "someone's always faster" had the best advice. It's all about pride and humility. If you're going to make upgrades to the car, do it on your own terms for your own reasons...not to beat everyone else. It's all about how much YOU enjoy the car and how much YOU can improve your times on the track. I stopped racing against other people to beat them a while ago, and started racing for fun or for personal improvement. You'll always get beat if you are always trying to beat other people.
That car HAS lost to a few other cars. I think 2 heavily modded Trans-Ams...and at least 2 Rx7 Turbos (2 & 3 rotor turbos). Rx7s (when heavily modded with 2 or 3 rotor engines) are nothing to mess with when they've been properly built. They're just insanely fast, and pretty light on top of that. The grocery getter Taurus runs anywhere from 3388-3500 lbs. The C4 Vette ran around 3400+ lbs. So, it's not a REALLY heavy car. And when the Taurus was designed, it was designed by Germans for lower drag coefficients. In otherwords, it actually has somewhat decent aerodynamics for a family sedan. It's not a brick on wheels. Anyway, just giving a heads up on the car. May as well let it go. Don't sink money into your car just to beat someone else. If you do, that person will most likely do the same thing and sink more money in and beat you again. Oh, and the grand total put into that car was something like $15,000, including the price of the car. That's pretty good if you ask me. Z06s cost something like $57,000 MSRP, right? So, hey...$15,000 isn't bad if you like sleepers and you don't mind birth control.
It's good to see that the Vette guys are pretty laid back and don't get too strung out over something like this. That's very cool. And I watched the show on the new C6, and that's an awesome little Vette. I like the C2 and the C5 most of all. The C6 is now probably my favorite. Sweet car...very well designed.
When the race with the Ducatti took place, then NOS was used. They were almost even till 3rd gear when the NOS was used, and then a car length or two was pulled on the Ducatti. Also, there was a 20 or 40mph roll with the Ducatti, because the guy didn't want to flip the bike at take-off. So...on the highway with a Ducatti, it's even unless he's squeezing, and 2 car lengths on a Z06 with light mods from a dead stop. That's not too bad...
Also, you probably don't want to challenge him to a race in the twisties either, because it's very possible that there would be yet another upset. The LSSHO Club goes on high speed "runs" up to 4 times a year on very secluded roads (240-380 mile runs). They take broad turns at upwards of 100-120mph...even in the rain, I kid you not. There are stock and moddified SHOs.
I was on a run where there was rain the entire time, and there was no probleming handling the cars at high speeds. The fact that they're FWD cars makes it much easier to take high speed turns without worry about throwing the rear end out because the rear tires are being pulled through the turn instead of pushing the car with heavy torque causing increased potential for loosing traction. The cars were made for some fairly high speed twisties. Ford Racing used a '92 Taurus SHO to road race for many years.
And as for the top speed...the car has been caught on video pegging out the 140 limit with continued acceloration upwards of 160+ (more left in it too). The car revs to 8500rpms where it puts out its max power at something like 15-18psi. Twistes and high speed stuff may not be the best way to go to show him up, unless you both start at like 140 and go to 180...then you might win.
Whoever gave the advice of "someone's always faster" had the best advice. It's all about pride and humility. If you're going to make upgrades to the car, do it on your own terms for your own reasons...not to beat everyone else. It's all about how much YOU enjoy the car and how much YOU can improve your times on the track. I stopped racing against other people to beat them a while ago, and started racing for fun or for personal improvement. You'll always get beat if you are always trying to beat other people.
That car HAS lost to a few other cars. I think 2 heavily modded Trans-Ams...and at least 2 Rx7 Turbos (2 & 3 rotor turbos). Rx7s (when heavily modded with 2 or 3 rotor engines) are nothing to mess with when they've been properly built. They're just insanely fast, and pretty light on top of that. The grocery getter Taurus runs anywhere from 3388-3500 lbs. The C4 Vette ran around 3400+ lbs. So, it's not a REALLY heavy car. And when the Taurus was designed, it was designed by Germans for lower drag coefficients. In otherwords, it actually has somewhat decent aerodynamics for a family sedan. It's not a brick on wheels.
Anyway, just giving a heads up on the car. May as well let it go. Don't sink money into your car just to beat someone else. If you do, that person will most likely do the same thing and sink more money in and beat you again. Oh, and the grand total put into that car was something like $15,000, including the price of the car. That's pretty good if you ask me. Z06s cost something like $57,000 MSRP, right? So, hey...$15,000 isn't bad if you like sleepers and you don't mind birth control. It's good to see that the Vette guys are pretty laid back and don't get too strung out over something like this. That's very cool. And I watched the show on the new C6, and that's an awesome little Vette. I like the C2 and the C5 most of all. The C6 is now probably my favorite. Sweet car...very well designed.
Melting Slicks
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From: Northville Michigan
John,
Look at my signature. I have the same basic setup that you have. I never take on anyone from a dig. I always try to get them to start from about 4,500 rpms in 2nd (45 mph) or 3rd (65 mph). That's where my gearing and horsepower can be used to my advantage (less tire slippage).
Did this SHO continue to pull away from you once you got hooked up? Does he have a better power-to-weight ratio than you?
Good luck with your decision.
Look at my signature. I have the same basic setup that you have. I never take on anyone from a dig. I always try to get them to start from about 4,500 rpms in 2nd (45 mph) or 3rd (65 mph). That's where my gearing and horsepower can be used to my advantage (less tire slippage).
Did this SHO continue to pull away from you once you got hooked up? Does he have a better power-to-weight ratio than you?
Good luck with your decision.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by SHO-Car
I think I know the race that's being discussed here. It was posted at the SHO Forum not long ago. Tony calls this guy "Cupcake", but I think that's just Tony being funny. In the description of the race, there was no NOS used and 2 car lengths were pulled with both cars spinning tires at launch.
When the race with the Ducatti took place, then NOS was used. They were almost even till 3rd gear when the NOS was used, and then a car length or two was pulled on the Ducatti. Also, there was a 20 or 40mph roll with the Ducatti, because the guy didn't want to flip the bike at take-off. So...on the highway with a Ducatti, it's even unless he's squeezing, and 2 car lengths on a Z06 with light mods from a dead stop. That's not too bad...
Also, you probably don't want to challenge him to a race in the twisties either, because it's very possible that there would be yet another upset. The LSSHO Club goes on high speed "runs" up to 4 times a year on very secluded roads (240-380 mile runs). They take broad turns at upwards of 100-120mph...even in the rain, I kid you not. There are stock and moddified SHOs.
I was on a run where there was rain the entire time, and there was no probleming handling the cars at high speeds. The fact that they're FWD cars makes it much easier to take high speed turns without worry about throwing the rear end out because the rear tires are being pulled through the turn instead of pushing the car with heavy torque causing increased potential for loosing traction. The cars were made for some fairly high speed twisties. Ford Racing used a '92 Taurus SHO to road race for many years.
And as for the top speed...the car has been caught on video pegging out the 140 limit with continued acceloration upwards of 160+ (more left in it too). The car revs to 8500rpms where it puts out its max power at something like 15-18psi. Twistes and high speed stuff may not be the best way to go to show him up, unless you both start at like 140 and go to 180...then you might win.
Whoever gave the advice of "someone's always faster" had the best advice. It's all about pride and humility. If you're going to make upgrades to the car, do it on your own terms for your own reasons...not to beat everyone else. It's all about how much YOU enjoy the car and how much YOU can improve your times on the track. I stopped racing against other people to beat them a while ago, and started racing for fun or for personal improvement. You'll always get beat if you are always trying to beat other people.
That car HAS lost to a few other cars. I think 2 heavily modded Trans-Ams...and at least 2 Rx7 Turbos (2 & 3 rotor turbos). Rx7s (when heavily modded with 2 or 3 rotor engines) are nothing to mess with when they've been properly built. They're just insanely fast, and pretty light on top of that. The grocery getter Taurus runs anywhere from 3388-3500 lbs. The C4 Vette ran around 3400+ lbs. So, it's not a REALLY heavy car. And when the Taurus was designed, it was designed by Germans for lower drag coefficients. In otherwords, it actually has somewhat decent aerodynamics for a family sedan. It's not a brick on wheels. Anyway, just giving a heads up on the car. May as well let it go. Don't sink money into your car just to beat someone else. If you do, that person will most likely do the same thing and sink more money in and beat you again. Oh, and the grand total put into that car was something like $15,000, including the price of the car. That's pretty good if you ask me. Z06s cost something like $57,000 MSRP, right? So, hey...$15,000 isn't bad if you like sleepers and you don't mind birth control.
It's good to see that the Vette guys are pretty laid back and don't get too strung out over something like this. That's very cool. And I watched the show on the new C6, and that's an awesome little Vette. I like the C2 and the C5 most of all. The C6 is now probably my favorite. Sweet car...very well designed.
When the race with the Ducatti took place, then NOS was used. They were almost even till 3rd gear when the NOS was used, and then a car length or two was pulled on the Ducatti. Also, there was a 20 or 40mph roll with the Ducatti, because the guy didn't want to flip the bike at take-off. So...on the highway with a Ducatti, it's even unless he's squeezing, and 2 car lengths on a Z06 with light mods from a dead stop. That's not too bad...
Also, you probably don't want to challenge him to a race in the twisties either, because it's very possible that there would be yet another upset. The LSSHO Club goes on high speed "runs" up to 4 times a year on very secluded roads (240-380 mile runs). They take broad turns at upwards of 100-120mph...even in the rain, I kid you not. There are stock and moddified SHOs.
I was on a run where there was rain the entire time, and there was no probleming handling the cars at high speeds. The fact that they're FWD cars makes it much easier to take high speed turns without worry about throwing the rear end out because the rear tires are being pulled through the turn instead of pushing the car with heavy torque causing increased potential for loosing traction. The cars were made for some fairly high speed twisties. Ford Racing used a '92 Taurus SHO to road race for many years.
And as for the top speed...the car has been caught on video pegging out the 140 limit with continued acceloration upwards of 160+ (more left in it too). The car revs to 8500rpms where it puts out its max power at something like 15-18psi. Twistes and high speed stuff may not be the best way to go to show him up, unless you both start at like 140 and go to 180...then you might win.
Whoever gave the advice of "someone's always faster" had the best advice. It's all about pride and humility. If you're going to make upgrades to the car, do it on your own terms for your own reasons...not to beat everyone else. It's all about how much YOU enjoy the car and how much YOU can improve your times on the track. I stopped racing against other people to beat them a while ago, and started racing for fun or for personal improvement. You'll always get beat if you are always trying to beat other people.
That car HAS lost to a few other cars. I think 2 heavily modded Trans-Ams...and at least 2 Rx7 Turbos (2 & 3 rotor turbos). Rx7s (when heavily modded with 2 or 3 rotor engines) are nothing to mess with when they've been properly built. They're just insanely fast, and pretty light on top of that. The grocery getter Taurus runs anywhere from 3388-3500 lbs. The C4 Vette ran around 3400+ lbs. So, it's not a REALLY heavy car. And when the Taurus was designed, it was designed by Germans for lower drag coefficients. In otherwords, it actually has somewhat decent aerodynamics for a family sedan. It's not a brick on wheels.
Anyway, just giving a heads up on the car. May as well let it go. Don't sink money into your car just to beat someone else. If you do, that person will most likely do the same thing and sink more money in and beat you again. Oh, and the grand total put into that car was something like $15,000, including the price of the car. That's pretty good if you ask me. Z06s cost something like $57,000 MSRP, right? So, hey...$15,000 isn't bad if you like sleepers and you don't mind birth control. It's good to see that the Vette guys are pretty laid back and don't get too strung out over something like this. That's very cool. And I watched the show on the new C6, and that's an awesome little Vette. I like the C2 and the C5 most of all. The C6 is now probably my favorite. Sweet car...very well designed.
Dont mind this clown or his silly ideas. He was booted out of shoforum a LONG time ago. Peanuts for brains. End subject.
And I would also just like to point out that a 6k procharger on top of said vette would put it comfortably out of reach of any sho there is, or ever will be.
Oz
Last edited by Pakisho; Oct 3, 2004 at 02:16 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Fountain Inn, South Carolina
Originally Posted by SHO-Car
I think I know the race that's being discussed here. It was posted at the SHO Forum not long ago.
Geez... they'll give anyone a Forum these days, what ever happened to standards??
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Originally Posted by Pakisho
And I would also just like to point out that a 6k procharger on top of said vette would put it comfortably out of reach of any sho there is, or ever will be.
Oz
Or ever will be? Not so fast Oz
Le Mans Master
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From: Richmond Ca
Originally Posted by 007Duc
Wow! Thanks for all the advice guys. Here's some of the information you wanted. 24v V6 yamaha motor for those of you that arn't that familiar with the older SHO motor, Supercharged (not stock) and what he claims to be a 50 shot of N2O. We didn't run at a strip just outside of where I work, I work nights so it's not busy at all. Any other races will be taken to the strip. Yeah the cars not pretty or cool by any means, in fact the owner calls the car birth control since you anin't getten none in it. 
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Burning Brakes
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From: Ypsilanti MI
Originally Posted by 007Duc
Ok guys. I need some advice. I have a 02 Z06 with LG long tubes and a Blackwing filter and CCW 3 piece wheels 18X11.5 with 335s on the back. Other then that stock. I just got my *** handed to me by a mid to late 80's model Ford Tarus SHO. I'm boiling the tires through 3rd trying to keep up. I don't think he's spinning as hard as me cause he's got huge drag radials on the front. It looks like those civics you see at the strip. Believe you me, this thing pulls HARD!!! So what do I need to do to beat him? I would just ignore it, but he works with me. Hence my delema.
Go with the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo. Everyone here has this and its only $45,000+. Just kidding!
I would say you need a good head and cam package with 4.10 gears or go with the ATI Procharger D-1SC.
But it all comes down to how good of a driver you are.
Did you have your traction control off?
I would think by 3rd gear you should be passing him.
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Originally Posted by wwashing
And he has a bunch of weight sitting over his drive wheels for good traction.
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Originally Posted by MikeJamesC5
But it all comes down to how good of a driver you are.
Did you have your traction control off?
I would think by 3rd gear you should be passing him.
Did you have your traction control off?
I would think by 3rd gear you should be passing him.
Here is a vid of my SHO racing a CTS-V. Granted the V is quite a bit slower than a modded Z06, but I just wanted you to see the first part of the vid showing my speedo sweep past 100. If the Vette is not ahead by the start of 3rd, he is only going to lose ground. I have raced Tony, very fast car. My losses to him are what keep me modding.
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http://www.ri-sho.com/zCTSV.wmv
Burning Brakes
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From: BF Egypt Tx
Can you say..."Nitto DR's"???
Originally Posted by MrEracer
If you are boiling the hides through third gear the first thing I would do is invest in some traction. Heads and cam will work wonders with your headers. If this were a random encounter I would probably ignore it, but this is a friend/co-worker. This sounds like a fun challenge and this kind of comradere is what improves the breed. Get to work on your car and beat him, you will enjoy the results to your car and the victory over your friend. He has to be near the limit of his potential and you have lots to exploit with your car...
Let us know what he has done to make his car fast and the results of your efforts to beat him...
Shirl
PS How stupid do DR's look on the front of a SHO?
Let us know what he has done to make his car fast and the results of your efforts to beat him...
Shirl
PS How stupid do DR's look on the front of a SHO?
Intermediate
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From: Somewhere MD
Even though I currently own an '04 Z06, I have to admit I am biased towards SHOs - or any fast 4 door, for that matter. Comments about the SHO's failings as a "chick magnet" aside (I stopped thinking cars got chicks when I was about 16), if I could buy a 4 door sedan that performed (handling, braking, acceleration) as well as my Z06 for the same price I'd pick the 4 door over the Vette without a second thought.
After all, performance + utility > performance alone.
Something else to consider. I bought a new '89 SHO back in the day and few people then (or now) had any idea what it was. When someone did compliment it, the compliment meant something because it came from someone who was clearly an automotive enthusiast. I can't say the same for the Z06. The majority of people who compliment my Z06 don't know the first thing about it. I could be driving a '75 Vette powered by a 4 cylinder transplanted from a Vega and they wouldn't know the difference. SHO's tend to attract hardcore car folks (my kind of people), whereas my Z06 attracts all types of people who don't know the first thing about cars and sure as hell don't have any appreciation for the Z06's performance capabilities.
About 20 years ago there was a letter printed in Car & Driver that said it best. He said something to the effect of "When I had my Fiero, everyone looked at it. When I got my GTI, the right people looked at it". Substitute Corvette for Fiero and SHO for GTI, and you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
After all, performance + utility > performance alone.
Something else to consider. I bought a new '89 SHO back in the day and few people then (or now) had any idea what it was. When someone did compliment it, the compliment meant something because it came from someone who was clearly an automotive enthusiast. I can't say the same for the Z06. The majority of people who compliment my Z06 don't know the first thing about it. I could be driving a '75 Vette powered by a 4 cylinder transplanted from a Vega and they wouldn't know the difference. SHO's tend to attract hardcore car folks (my kind of people), whereas my Z06 attracts all types of people who don't know the first thing about cars and sure as hell don't have any appreciation for the Z06's performance capabilities.
About 20 years ago there was a letter printed in Car & Driver that said it best. He said something to the effect of "When I had my Fiero, everyone looked at it. When I got my GTI, the right people looked at it". Substitute Corvette for Fiero and SHO for GTI, and you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
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2nd Gear
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Originally Posted by Pakisho
Dont mind this clown or his silly ideas. He was booted out of shoforum a LONG time ago. Peanuts for brains. End subject.
And I would also just like to point out that a 6k procharger on top of said vette would put it comfortably out of reach of any sho there is, or ever will be.
Oz
And I would also just like to point out that a 6k procharger on top of said vette would put it comfortably out of reach of any sho there is, or ever will be.
Oz
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Here's a suggestion for a fitting end for the thread..
A pic of the connecting rod that decided to see some fresh air on me at Road Atlanta this past Sunday (LOTS of Z06's out there... I believe there was a Georgia Vette Club meet there). Engine expired between turns 3 & 4, getting set up for the Esses, about 80mph.
Anyway, apologies to anyone here who was affected by the engine letting go. First my supercharged 91 SHO track car grenades a transaxle at NHIS in Sept., then my street car decides it doesn't like me anymore as well.
I have a possible budget of up to $20k for a used car... what'll that buy me in the 'Vette world?
A pic of the connecting rod that decided to see some fresh air on me at Road Atlanta this past Sunday (LOTS of Z06's out there... I believe there was a Georgia Vette Club meet there). Engine expired between turns 3 & 4, getting set up for the Esses, about 80mph.
Anyway, apologies to anyone here who was affected by the engine letting go. First my supercharged 91 SHO track car grenades a transaxle at NHIS in Sept., then my street car decides it doesn't like me anymore as well.
I have a possible budget of up to $20k for a used car... what'll that buy me in the 'Vette world?
