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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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This is turning into ANOTHER pissing match on how big of a difference there is between the Z51, non-Z51 and automatic cars. One person (you know who you are) keeps beating this issue up trying to make out like the difference is significant.

But lets remember one thing. There actually is one person who as driven every variation of the C6 - at the same track and at least very similar conditions. He has made numerous runs until he is pretty sure he has wrung them all out to get the best out of them under at the track and conditions he has to work with. And by all accounts, he is a pretty damn good driver.

His figures show the difference IS 1/10th of a second between Z51 and non-Z51 cars. By the way, he is the factory Corvette test driver. As long as there is one person who has tested them all to within an inch of their lives, why don't we believe the figures that GM has posted for the car?

Why does it have to be a "pissing match" just because someone points out the differences between the Z51 and non Z51 C6 Corvette????

It has gotten to the point to where one cannot even say "Z51" without some here getting offended.

Indeed its like SellingBMWforC6 says. It is "politically incorrect" to even discuss the Z51.

You have some here who don't even want the car referred to as "Z51" it has gotten so bad.

Originally Posted by jschindler
But lets remember one thing. There actually is one person who as driven every variation of the C6 - at the same track and at least very similar conditions.
Who is he and where does he document his findings?

Again, I know that you are going to interpret what I am about to say as "pissing", but by all indications so far, coming from the results that the quickest C6s have shown so far, made public over the world wide web, anywhere you care to look, the difference does indeed seem to be significant.

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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by serendipity
I don't think your tuner can tune an 06 yet with HPTuners, unless they release their update between now and next week. There is talk of them releasing support for MN6 2006 Corvettes soon, but 06 support in general is being held up by the new TCM for the A6.

My tuner has been waiting for the software and finally got it last Tuesday. He told me it cost him more to get it now but he had received it and downloaded it when he contacted me on Wednesday. He is Jeff Creech at Carolina Auto Masters in Durham, NC. He told me he is very excited about this software and the difference it will make. I can't wait to get it done.
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatbush_Harry
In addition, DSOM Z51 is one of the most literate on this board so whether debating or dragging, check six.



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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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I don't care to keep looking throguh this pissing match....someone please PM the answer to my "does gm plan to offer the performance axle option" question. thanks
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 90 Corvette ZR-1
does anyone know if GM has plans to offer a "performance" rear end for the A6?
I took a look at the Chevrolet/Corvette Web Site and while I'm not sure what the ratio is for the performance axle, this is what they offer.

The 3.42 ratio, limited-slip axle is standard on all models, while the higher end 2.56 ratio is included with the optional A6 models only. The G92 was the performance axle ratio for the C5, and it was a 3:15 gear ratio.

So, I think what that means is,if you order the A6 you get the higher rear end, maybe a dealer can tell you if you can spec a 3:42 when you order.

Hope that helps and makes sense, it's sort of confusing to me, and I wrote it . . .

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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51

It has gotten to the point to where one cannot even say "Z51" without some here getting offended.

Indeed its like SellingBMWforC6 says. It is "politically incorrect" to even discuss the Z51.
DSOM, with all due respect to you and your belief in your car, it's the delivery of your message and people's perception of the message that is the challenge here.

Respectfully.
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOps
DSOM, with all due respect to you and your belief in your car, it's the delivery of your message and people's perception of the message that is the challenge here.

Respectfully.
I appreciate the constructive criticism. I will work on "delivering" it better. However I feel that this will make little difference in the minds of some, due to what you so accurately referred to as the "percepetion of the message".

Nontheless my intent in my later post was to focus on disputing "ideas" as opposed to individuals. Indeed, I stated as such.

With these things in mind; however, let us collectively move forward towards giving the original poster, the best advice that we can give him.

Advice which is representative of the depth and quality of the experiences of the members of this forum. It is these experiences which should go a long way towards helping him to get his issue resolved.

My own experiences have been offered, and if they are of any benefit to him, or not, then so be it. I am only trying to help him. It is unfortunate that some perceive that as an attack on their own personal purchasing decisions. Decisions which they do not have to answer to anyone for.

But as you say, I shall work on my "delivery."

And BTW, C6 Corvette differentials, now only come with two factory rear gear ratios. 3.42 in the manuals and 2.56 in the automatics. The '05 A4s came with an optional 3.15 performance axle, and the Z51 (Flame suit on) A4s came with it as well. This was the last of the 3.15 gear ratios in the Corvette. And the last "performance axle" option offered in the automatics.

Chevy has announced no plans to make a different axle available for the A6 equipped Corvettes.


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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
But as you say, I shall work on my "delivery."
Several of us could do the same.
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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These debates probably could add some value if posters focused on the technical and practical pros and cons.

Maybe the first response to an opinion different than our own should be a question: "Where and when do you drive your car? How do you drive it?" Vetters who drive casually on smooth, curvy highways on weekdays may have a different take...and need...from those who spend Sundays at the local strip running time trials.

As someone here once said, to start a thread with: "My choice is good, yours is, well, stupid," is probably going to draw fire (or flames).
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
Thank you.
Il n'y a pas de quoi du tout, mon ami.

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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatbush_Harry
Il n'y a pas de quoi du tout, mon ami.

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Content pour savoir cela. Peut-être je peux vous aider quelque jour aussi.
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
Content pour savoir cela. Peut-être je peux vous aider quelque jour aussi.
Merci et je me tiens prêt à vous aider. D'ailleurs, nos membres moins instruits de forum nous ont renvoyés.

Peut-être nous pouvons monter la route de gloire ensemble autrefois.



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D'accord.
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D'accord.
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Old Feb 25, 2006 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
Why does it have to be a "pissing match" just because someone points out the differences between the Z51 and non Z51 C6 Corvette????
I keep wondering the same thing!

It has gotten to the point to where one cannot even say "Z51" without some here getting offended.

Indeed its like SellingBMWforC6 says. It is "politically incorrect" to even discuss the Z51.

You have some here who don't even want the car referred to as "Z51" it has gotten so bad.



Who is he and where does he document his findings?
"Official" performance times have been published by GM since the introduction of the C6. I don't see performance specs on their current web-site (may just not have found it yet), but since the introduction of the C6, they have published it from time to time, and I think it is in the broshures. GM's "official" performance figures for the C6 have been well documented on this forum - the Z51 is 1/10 faster in the 1/4 mile in those figures than the base and F55 (MN6's).

I don't know his name, but there was an article about him in "Corvette Quarterly" about three years ago. It was an interesting article, and it says he really drives the dog-poop out of them to get the best times. If I can find the article, I'll post more details. I know I still have it upstairs in the "archives".

Again, I know that you are going to interpret what I am about to say as "pissing", but by all indications so far, coming from the results that the quickest C6s have shown so far, made public over the world wide web, anywhere you care to look, the difference does indeed seem to be significant.
Both sides have had their say on this many times - I'm not going ot start that debate up again.
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Close...d'accord actually means "I agree". D'Corvette kinda reminds me of Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein berliner" speech in 1961, when he declared himself to be a jelly doughnut.

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Well said. The suspension differance might be better for the Z06 is some kind of gymkahna or race thru the twisties, but stright line accelleration is an illusion I think.
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Originally Posted by Flatbush_Harry
Merci et je me tiens prêt à vous aider. D'ailleurs, nos membres moins instruits de forum nous ont renvoyés.

Peut-être nous pouvons monter la route de gloire ensemble autrefois.



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Originally Posted by BlackOps
Si vous n'arrêtez pas cela, vous irez aveugle.
Je le ferai seulement jusqu'à ce que je devienne myope (et aveugle ca veut dire "blind man"...be careful of your translation programs and buy a Petite LaRousse).

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