Keyless entry and Push button start
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2004
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From: Dallas Tx
Too overcomplicated, will never buy another car with it. Just praying the new Camaro has a good old non-passive FOB and key start.
Why?
I like to know when my car is locked or unlocked, and only change when I push a button to do so.
I like my electrical system to shut down reliably everytime, don't like dead batteries.
I like family members to be able to drive the car without lengthy explanations, and then they screw something up anyway and it's call a tow truck for another jump start.
Had numerous performance cars - F bodys and Vettes all with a good old Fob and key, never had a problem or a dead battery. Get one of these new fangled high tech crap systems and how many dead batteries, lockouts, why is the horning beeping... wifee can't figure out how to get into the car, button falls in the dash... I'm done with keyless.
Bring back the non-passive FOB and Key start and I'll consider buying another GM performance car.
Why?
I like to know when my car is locked or unlocked, and only change when I push a button to do so.
I like my electrical system to shut down reliably everytime, don't like dead batteries.
I like family members to be able to drive the car without lengthy explanations, and then they screw something up anyway and it's call a tow truck for another jump start.
Had numerous performance cars - F bodys and Vettes all with a good old Fob and key, never had a problem or a dead battery. Get one of these new fangled high tech crap systems and how many dead batteries, lockouts, why is the horning beeping... wifee can't figure out how to get into the car, button falls in the dash... I'm done with keyless.
Bring back the non-passive FOB and Key start and I'll consider buying another GM performance car.
Pro
Joined: Sep 2000
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From: San Diego, CA California
Originally Posted by Michrider
Too overcomplicated, will never buy another car with it.
Michrider, your new car choices will become very limited in the future!
Last edited by Monts; Oct 23, 2006 at 05:41 PM.
Team Owner
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From: Cleveland OH
Originally Posted by Monts
Cars have consistently become more complicated as time goes on.
Your new car choices will become very limited in the future!
Your new car choices will become very limited in the future!
Intermediate
Joined: Aug 2004
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I'm assuming you have an automatic?
My guess is that a manual will just freeze up since the engine is down and will essentially slide the car?
Thanks.
My guess is that a manual will just freeze up since the engine is down and will essentially slide the car?
Thanks.
Originally Posted by LouieM
But it still happened to me on my drive home from Museum delivery in August, when I was still learning about the car. In Kansas City freeway traffic......the car kept going and I figured it out in a second or two.......but, talk about scary!......have this happen to you just once and you will not be a fan of this feature. This fright never happened in any of my previous 21 Corvettes.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Michrider
Too overcomplicated, will never buy another car with it.
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Bring back the non-passive FOB and Key start and I'll consider buying another GM performance car.
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Bring back the non-passive FOB and Key start and I'll consider buying another GM performance car.
Good luck with that. Looks like even the Toyotas have it standard now....
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/aud...1/article.html
"...nearly 50 percent of over 3,000 respondents polled picked keyless ignition as the premium feature they'd most like to have on their next vehicle..."
Last edited by TrackNoob; Oct 23, 2006 at 08:52 PM.
Drifting
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine CA
Originally Posted by Big_Geek
I have passive locking on, so when I leave the car so it locks itself. However there's no confirmation beep, so I find myself fumbling for the FOB anyway to make sure she's locked up tight.
Race Director
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: NorCal
Originally Posted by redcrane
I'm assuming you have an automatic?
My guess is that a manual will just freeze up since the engine is down and will essentially slide the car?
Thanks.
My guess is that a manual will just freeze up since the engine is down and will essentially slide the car?
Thanks.
I have a manual. The engine shutting off happened so fast, I don't really recall if I pushed in the clutch pedal of not, but the engine started right up when I pushed the Start button. I didn't know I could break out in a sweat so fast!
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Originally Posted by TrackNoob
Good luck with that. Looks like even the Toyotas have it standard now....
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/aud...1/article.html
"...nearly 50 percent of over 3,000 respondents polled picked keyless ignition as the premium feature they'd most like to have on their next vehicle..."
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/aud...1/article.html
"...nearly 50 percent of over 3,000 respondents polled picked keyless ignition as the premium feature they'd most like to have on their next vehicle..."
Racer
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 430
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From: San Francisco CA
Are you all afraid of programing the clocks on your VCRs too?
Is it really that hard to push a button and then not mess with stuff? I don't know how anyone could hit the button when messing with the DIC unless your hand is the size of a dinner plate.
You don't have to keep the real key on the fob, so it's not difficult to carry the very small fob around.
How do you not know if your door is locked? It has the option of honking that obnoxious horn every time it locks. Do you think the car is pretending to lock itself when it does that, or flashes the lights?
I'm sorry, I just don't understand how so many people can worry so much about nothing. It's a friggin' button that starts your car, not the end of the world. Plus, have you seen regular GM keys? You really want one of those to carry around? Tossing someone the keys to a C5 and for all they know you could be driving an Astro!
Is it really that hard to push a button and then not mess with stuff? I don't know how anyone could hit the button when messing with the DIC unless your hand is the size of a dinner plate.
You don't have to keep the real key on the fob, so it's not difficult to carry the very small fob around.
How do you not know if your door is locked? It has the option of honking that obnoxious horn every time it locks. Do you think the car is pretending to lock itself when it does that, or flashes the lights?
I'm sorry, I just don't understand how so many people can worry so much about nothing. It's a friggin' button that starts your car, not the end of the world. Plus, have you seen regular GM keys? You really want one of those to carry around? Tossing someone the keys to a C5 and for all they know you could be driving an Astro!
Drifting
Joined: Apr 2005
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From: Portland Oregon
I love it and would order it again in a heartbeat.
It's also really nice that you don't have to hold the start button in to start the car. Just push and release the button and the car will crank until the engine fires up.
It's also really nice that you don't have to hold the start button in to start the car. Just push and release the button and the car will crank until the engine fires up.
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2004
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From: Dallas Tx
Oh yeah, done right it's great. And that's what all those raving about it love - a simple system working perfectly. Sure it's great.
But that's not why I found after numerous dead batteries, tows, repairs, friends and family calls can't figure something out, fob got left in someone's pocket while the car was running and they left...
When all the previous cars were perfect, and the one with keyless start and passive entry has been a disaster, I'm thinking I'm leaning toward not liking it. Just my opinion from one who likes to keep it simple. Sure, I'd love it if it were bulletproof and consumer friendly. Check the battery warranty data, and tow bills - not the case today.
But that's not why I found after numerous dead batteries, tows, repairs, friends and family calls can't figure something out, fob got left in someone's pocket while the car was running and they left...
When all the previous cars were perfect, and the one with keyless start and passive entry has been a disaster, I'm thinking I'm leaning toward not liking it. Just my opinion from one who likes to keep it simple. Sure, I'd love it if it were bulletproof and consumer friendly. Check the battery warranty data, and tow bills - not the case today.
Pro
Joined: Sep 2000
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From: San Diego, CA California
Michrider:
Were the dead batteries attributed to the keyless entry system? All new technology goes through growing pains until (hopefully) most of the bugs are worked out.
Even the old key technology is not bulletproof. Keyes get locked in the car with the motor running, bent keys, broken keyes, dirty locks, frozen locks etc.
Unfortunately, since nothing is bulletproof you might as well enjoy the system that gives you the most convenience and efficiency.
Were the dead batteries attributed to the keyless entry system? All new technology goes through growing pains until (hopefully) most of the bugs are worked out.
Even the old key technology is not bulletproof. Keyes get locked in the car with the motor running, bent keys, broken keyes, dirty locks, frozen locks etc.
Unfortunately, since nothing is bulletproof you might as well enjoy the system that gives you the most convenience and efficiency.
Safety Car
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From: Boca Raton Inlet, Atlantic Ocean (Floridas east coast)
love the features! 100% super covenient and never worry about locking the keys in the car or the keys clanging and banging while hanging from the dash