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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy
mine is so far perfect..so is my flight nurses..the 07's seem to be fine..
Yep, Ive never had any issues with flight nurses! LOL
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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Had my 07 AO vert for about three weeks and 500 miles now.
Put on a new set of chrome wcc ccw's and added the corsa
sport exhaust and x-pipe. Right now shes been puuurrrfect.
I too, noticed the orange peel. Mostly on the sides of the car.
I hope the clay bar will take a little out. My tour guide "ron"
at the museum said not to do anything to the paint for 90 days.
I'll live with it until then and then try to get it out.
Bottom line. I love the car. Just got out of a 01 C5 vert and
I like this car even more than I expected.
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shopdog

My 1966 98 Olds has better paint (even after 40 years).
That's because the EPA didn't exist to screw up a good thing (lead based paints and lacquers.)
The big 425 cubic inch V8 still makes tire burning torque.
It isn't hard to light up 5 inch wide tires...
It only cost $5200 too.
$5200 in 1966 is enough money to buy a house a block from the beach in socal. Now do you think $5200 in 1966 is "only"?
But it struggles to get 18 MPG on the highway, it handles like a river barge,
Must be why OLDS doesn't exist anymore.
There is value added in the Corvette compared to that old Olds. I'm not convinced that there's $55,000 worth of value added, though.
Check out that same house a block from the beach. (Bring a THICK wallet,too!) No change of the house either! Same cabinets,wall switches,recepticals,furnace and the price is millions...
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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lvjetboy
I usually don't post "I agree" After all, it's been said so who cares if I agree. But TrackNoob nailed it. GM falls short on reliability as usual, but vette customers typically overlook and justify by performance. After all, what else to do? I think we need to demand more...it can happen.

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I'm not convinced you or TrackNoob speak from experience. Obviously, neither of you have been on a plant tour. Quality control is excellent and employee morale is extremely high. The employees are hard working and dedicated to building a great car. The manufacturing line shuts down during breaks and during lunch to insure quality is not compromised. Anyone on the line can shut the entire line down if they spot a problem. It happened while I was there. Finished Corvettes are held at the plant for two weeks. If a problem is discovered during that time, the finished vehicles receive the fix before being shipped to dealers.

Not long after purchasing my new car the screws came loose on the plastic panels in both rear wheel wells and, had I not spotted them hanging down, they would have fallen off. Not long after that, I had the infamous DEAD BATTERY SYNDROME. The car gets about 24 mpg....I'm not talking about my 2007 C6, I'm talking about my 2000 Lexus GS300!!!!! I'm not knocking my Lexus. It is a fantastic car but it's not perfect!

I received the first 2007 C6 delivered at the NCM. It now has 3000 miles on it and all I have done to it is change the oil, wash and wax it, put gas in it and drive it. It gets between 28 and 32 mpg. The exterior fit and finish is near perfect. My only complaint about the interior is the quality of the console cover. Other than that, the two tone interior of my C6 is equal to the Lexus. The seats are more comfortable and the HUD is exceptional. The Magnetic Selective Drive Control has no equal.

I have owned many Japanese, German and American made cars in my 51 years of driving but the most reliable car I have owned was a 1978 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. I drove it more than 300,000 miles in 26 years and, other than normal maintenance, the transmission had to be rebuilt and the radiator replaced. It was still in excellent condition when I sold it on ebay in 2004.

Unfortunately, perception is reality and those of you who keep making unsubstantiated remarks about GM's and Chevrolet's poor reliability and quality, help perpetuate this myth. You either haven't driven or owned a C6 or you have blinders on and are just counting the red and black dots in Consumer Reports.

The GM Chevrolet Corvette has proved itself on the street and on the race track over the years and, as the absolute best price performer, continues to improve with the 2007 C6 and Z06!

Rick, you are about to receive the ride of you life!

Good luck,
Jim

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Old Nov 12, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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Yup, nothing beats a Caddy for true comfort !
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 05:47 AM
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I havew a 06 C6 Coupe.

Is it worth the price? Depends on what your most important reason for buying the car is.

PERFORMANCE - One hell of a bargain! You can't touch the performance until you are paying 2-3 times the price for something else.

FIT - Mediocre. A Honda at half the price will have better fit.

INTERIOR - Mediocre. Cheap Leather, average stiching, plastic interor that fits so-so.

PAINT - Poor. I have yet to see a C6, and I have looked at hundreds, that did not have orange peel to some extent.

SOUND SYSTEMS - All of GM's options suck.

RELIABILITY - Not up to Honda and Toyota but better than most high performance automobiles. High performance Porsches and Ferraris have more reliabilty problems than Corvettes. High performance in anything, be it cars, boats or airplanes will be less reliable than middle of the road performance in those vehicles.

I take exception to anyone crticizing the morale of those involved in engineering or building the Corvette. I have visited with many of the engineers involved in the Corvette and spent a day in Bowling Green watching them build my Corvette. I spoke with almost everyone involved in the assembly of my Corvette. To a man and a woman they are intensely proud to be involved in building a world class sports car. They take pride in their work and do not want a car leaving the line that is less than the best they can produce. I grew up in Detroit and can tell you that the attitude of the people on the assembly line in Bowling Green is vastly differnent than the average person on the assembly line for a Caprice, Mustang or PT Cruiser.

In my own personal case, I have had only a couple of minor problems, a squeak that developed in the steering column and a creak in the transparent top at the left pillar post. My local dealer corrected these on the first try.

As I am a performance oriented person, for me the C6 Corvette is well worth the money.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
I'm not convinced you or TrackNoob speak from experience.
No big deal. My posting here is not to convince you. Just to relay my ideas to others based on my experience. As for experience, 9 years owning a '92 vette and now an '07. The '92 had 37k when I bought it, now has 150k. I drove it regular as I drive all my cars. So I know the multitude of problems and expenses maintaining it. Should I elaborate on my oh...experience? You freakin' doubt me?

Ignition module failure.
Oil leaks and fouled plugs - still a problem.
Radio antenna - twice.
ABS failure.
Fuel pump failure - stranded me on a highway.
Air conditioner compressor - twice.
Water pump failure - twice so far.
Headlight motor failure ($650 replacement no labor)
Transmission vibrates on downshift still a problem - I could explain. Engine knocks on 91 octane even after $1000 spent on maintenance and a "top engine clean"

But these are just the big things I can remember on and on. Maybe you should talk to service techs familiar with Corvette maintenance problems about their experience, before you freakin' question my experience?

By comparison our 4-runner with nearly same miles has very few problems. In fact none. It idles smooth. Has no oil leaks. No air conditioner problems. No transmission issues. No ball joint replacement. No ignition module, on and on. Should I continue? Your gonna doubt the experience I had JimsGem?

I understand performance means engine-driveline stress. Most of if not all of my '92 Vette problems had nothing to do with performance. As my 2007 Vette with a seat belt warning problem at 250 miles!! A faulty seat belt warning light has nothing to do with performance you think? Yet it certainly does have to do with reliability, especially when the light and chime goes off again and again on a brand new Vette. YOU THINK?

I care less whether you understand that or the GM reliability issue.

Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
Obviously, neither of you have been on a plant tour. Quality control is excellent and employee morale is extremely high..
Have not done the tour. So freakin' what? Judging my experience from the finished product as you should, that plant tour you experienced should be taken in stride and judged as it should be.

Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
I received the first 2007 C6 delivered at the NCM. It now has 3000 miles on it and all I have done to it is change the oil, wash and wax it, put gas in it and drive it.Jim
My 2007 has 3145 miles now. That's my experience.

Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
I have owned many Japanese, German and American made cars in my 51 years of driving but the most reliable car I have owned was a 1978 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. I drove it more than 300,000 miles in 26 years and, other than normal maintenance, the transmission had to be rebuilt and the radiator replaced. It was still in excellent condition when I sold it on ebay in 2004.
So brag about your Coupe de Ville. That's no proof of Vette reliability. In fact not even in the same leage as most agree.

Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
Unfortunately, perception is reality and those of you who keep making unsubstantiated remarks about GM's and Chevrolet's poor reliability and quality, help perpetuate this myth. You either haven't driven or owned a C6 or you have blinders on and are just counting the red and black dots in Consumer Reports.
Unsubstantiated, myths!? I've owned both a C6 and C4. No blinders I understand performance, reliability and I could care less about Consumer Reports. Yet my opinion of the vette is it's less than it can be. Especially for reliability. YOu can sugar coat it all you want...that will only change when GM's mentality changes. Driven by us the buyers.

DO YOU COPY!!

Jer

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Originally Posted by Jim'sGem
I'm not convinced you or TrackNoob speak from experience.
Respectfully, Jim, you clearly have not read what I have written, then. I speak STRICTLY from direct experience and knowledge of my own, not from having seen some factory tour video, or of some claim made by others. I speak of the car that I own, and that I experience each and every day, including today. I often post pictures, such as when my car ingested the carbon traps, or disassembling the mirror, or when I took it home the first night, or when my roof separated, or when I had a road trip and frosted the clear roof. Happy to take and then post pics of the hole in my bolster, or of the orange peel, or of the easily scratched console paint, or any other visible defect I have claimed.

Anyone on the line can shut the entire line down if they spot a problem. It happened while I was there.
That old canard is in every factory, as a prop to show the tourists. I am not going to debunk your 'rah rah' line by line; if you think all that external showmanship is evidence of a deep abiding commitment to quality, then I leave you with your belief. My own "tour of the factory quality" is up to 23,000 miles and one year long, and has been accurately described previously, so I needn't elaborate here.

Finished Corvettes are held at the plant for two weeks. If a problem is discovered during that time, the finished vehicles receive the fix before being shipped to dealers.
If quality is so great, why is such routine impoundment necessary?


the two tone interior of my C6 is equal to the Lexus.
No comment from me necessary on that one. I think CF can tally how many people hold your view that GM beats Lexus on interior quality.

those of you who keep making unsubstantiated remarks about GM's and Chevrolet's poor reliability and quality, help perpetuate this myth. You either haven't driven or owned a C6 or you have blinders on and are just counting the red and black dots in Consumer Reports.
I wish to be respectful of all points of view, whether based on fact or not. If you have a position, you are entitled to it. However, what I feel you and others are NOT entitled to do based on the evidence, is impugn MY integrity, or to continue to falsely assert with out any basis that I do not own the car at all! Why would I have spent month after month posting about it, explaining when I bought it, describing issues, fixes, drives, etc, helping others troubleshoot issues, only as a ruse? That is foolish on it's face, and undermines not my credibility, but your own.

I am not going to list the types of cars I have built up and owned again, but suffice it to say, they did include a C4, various V8's (lot's of seventies muscle cars), some foreign cars, SUV, a Porsche, VW, motorcycles, and the 1940 all-steel coupe you see in my avitar, etc.

The C6 is by far the worst quality for build, finish, and number of glitches of any car I have ever owned. Today, leaving work, both the rear end and the clear top were making noise together, and I could only shake my head at the fact that while there are fixes for both of these annoyances, I should not have to take my car in to have them repaired. Yes, I was momentarily sated when I snagged second and third gears and got the satisfying response, but it is a shame to have to chose between performance OR quality.

Best wishes.


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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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4000 miles... no problems.


what an awsome car for 40k.

I love comp mode.

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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 10:00 PM
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I've had mine for just over a year now and I would not trade it for anything. It is a great car. Enjoy!
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