Problems with C6????????????
Racer
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From: Las Vegas NV
Originally Posted by TrackNoob
Not to be argumentative, but not necessarily.
I think the bald truth is that for us 2005/2006 owners, the price, performance, newness, etc was more than enough to keep us happy initially, and so likely to fill out surveys and polls as "well satisfied". This, even while the list of many known glitches (that would be easily verified and cataloged by the droll bean-counters at CR) was occurring to us and our mates.
Many people say "It's a bargain" to any hint of a complaint, and it may be true that as a relative package, people who are likely to purchase this car will weigh the totality in the positive. However, those same people would be foolhardy to believe that the overall quality is up to even Hyundai standards.
So, I say - be happy if you like your own trade off decisions, and don't let me rain on anyone else's parade!
But also please don't anyone try to convince me that this level of quality is either the best that GM could do, or that we ought to just willingly accept it. Why can't we have low cost, good design, AND have it not fall to pieces, too? I don't think that is really unreasonable in this day and age of competition, process knowledge, statistics, materials science, engineering tools, very ready data and testing...
I think the bald truth is that for us 2005/2006 owners, the price, performance, newness, etc was more than enough to keep us happy initially, and so likely to fill out surveys and polls as "well satisfied". This, even while the list of many known glitches (that would be easily verified and cataloged by the droll bean-counters at CR) was occurring to us and our mates.
Many people say "It's a bargain" to any hint of a complaint, and it may be true that as a relative package, people who are likely to purchase this car will weigh the totality in the positive. However, those same people would be foolhardy to believe that the overall quality is up to even Hyundai standards.
So, I say - be happy if you like your own trade off decisions, and don't let me rain on anyone else's parade!
But also please don't anyone try to convince me that this level of quality is either the best that GM could do, or that we ought to just willingly accept it. Why can't we have low cost, good design, AND have it not fall to pieces, too? I don't think that is really unreasonable in this day and age of competition, process knowledge, statistics, materials science, engineering tools, very ready data and testing...
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Melting Slicks
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hans,
No I did not keep any of the old Vettes wish I did. Had a 78 Pace Car, 79,92Vert, 93 40th anniv. vert, 81 really liked the big front fenders of the C3, and now when it gets here 07 vert.
Rick
No I did not keep any of the old Vettes wish I did. Had a 78 Pace Car, 79,92Vert, 93 40th anniv. vert, 81 really liked the big front fenders of the C3, and now when it gets here 07 vert.
Rick
Le Mans Master
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From: Maryville TN
St. Jude Donor '06-13,'16-'17, '19
Originally Posted by TrackNoob
I'd bet most of the issues discussed here will be engineered out by the time you get yours.
Let's not forget that our Vettes are built by Chevrolet.Tom
Melting Slicks
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[QUOTE=rjr2007]I just ordered a C6 2007 Vert 3 weeks ago and I've been on the site for the same amont of time. "GREAT SITE". I see alot of you love your Corvettes, But I see alot of things that people say are wrong with the cars. From paint to Vert head liners with holes wearing in them. Is the car worth the $60000 or are these just a few number of cars. This is my 6th Corvette and have always loved the car.
This is my first C6.
Thanks
I paid $44K--Z-51 and Comp Gray Wheels the only options, exactly what I wanted. There is nothing in the world within $30K that will touch the car--and then it's another Vette! Worth every cent.
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This is my first C6.
Thanks
I paid $44K--Z-51 and Comp Gray Wheels the only options, exactly what I wanted. There is nothing in the world within $30K that will touch the car--and then it's another Vette! Worth every cent.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Wheaton Illinois
Originally Posted by TCW
Let's not forget that our Vettes are built by Chevrolet.Tom
Second, I guess I tire of all of the posts that start out with "for $50,000 your would think..." fill in the rest. I know these guys get tired of hearing the Vette is a bargain, but as other posts have stated, look at the competition. Usually $50,000 or more in costs. And then, well see my first point above. The fact is, it is a bargain.
Third, as also noted above, this is a high performance sports car. It's not a Camry or the like. Are there trade offs? Sure. However, if you think you can do better for the same price, or even $20,000 more, hay, go for it.
Yes, I feel better.
Team Owner
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Rocking seat, faulty airbag sensor, both fixed under warranty, crap Delco battery, replaced with an Optima Yellow top no problems since.
Not bad for a car which has been in service for 23 months and 8500 miles.
Not bad for a car which has been in service for 23 months and 8500 miles.
Originally Posted by VETTE-NV
That's a BS price comparison. 40 years later that same Olds would be $35-40K. Gee....you think it's worth the difference now?
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Originally Posted by Wayne O
I think you're more apt to read about problems on a forum than accounts of no problems...this is natural. The C6 can have problems like any car but I would think the vast majority of owners have few if any problems.
Certainly certain problems have been indentified and addressed by GM....the delaminating roof panel has been the most publicized defect. It was a non-issue for me....my roof panel was replaced and repaired and has been fine. A new design 'SMC' roof panel is now being used.
My 2005 C6 has been virtually trouble-free. It is a great car from a mechanical and reliability standpoint and from an enjoyment standpoint.
Of those that have had a problem...ask how many would get rid of their C6 and buy a different make....not very many I would wager.
Certainly certain problems have been indentified and addressed by GM....the delaminating roof panel has been the most publicized defect. It was a non-issue for me....my roof panel was replaced and repaired and has been fine. A new design 'SMC' roof panel is now being used.
My 2005 C6 has been virtually trouble-free. It is a great car from a mechanical and reliability standpoint and from an enjoyment standpoint.
Of those that have had a problem...ask how many would get rid of their C6 and buy a different make....not very many I would wager.
A much better question
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Burning Brakes
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From: Las Cruces New Mexico
Originally Posted by rtibbit
I have to strongly disagree with your comment about low morale and "low concentration on the builder's part", based on direct observation.
I was fortunate to tour the factory as part of the National Corvette Museum delivery process this week and got to carefully observe the builders at work over a period of about 3 hours. They were careful, unhurried and very attentive to the work. The pace of the line is relatively slow - I'd say the workers' pace is about 50 or 60 percent of their possible levels. I saw absolutely no evidence of low morale; also, no horseplay or lack of attention. The workforce was very impressive. If you have the opportunity, you really should go see for yourself.
Wayne
I was fortunate to tour the factory as part of the National Corvette Museum delivery process this week and got to carefully observe the builders at work over a period of about 3 hours. They were careful, unhurried and very attentive to the work. The pace of the line is relatively slow - I'd say the workers' pace is about 50 or 60 percent of their possible levels. I saw absolutely no evidence of low morale; also, no horseplay or lack of attention. The workforce was very impressive. If you have the opportunity, you really should go see for yourself.
Wayne
Burning Brakes
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From: Las Cruces New Mexico
Originally Posted by 4 MY EGO
What I truly want to know is, do the little white flags tied to the wires alongside your driveway keep the birds from pooping on the car ? 
Nah, my wife made me a victory lane in the driveway when I bought the car. I went to go pick up the car and she stayed home to do that for me. She knew I was so excited to get my dream car. She's a great wife.
Le Mans Master
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From: Bluffton, SC
I don't think you can argue about how reliable a car is. Either you've had your share of service issues, or you haven't. Everyone has had a different experience. As much as many here refuse to admit it, Consumer Reports is probably the only fairly objective source for the service history of any given car. According to their surveys, the C6 has not done all that well. This means it is less reliable than brands like Toyota or Honda, and about as good as some competitors like Porsche, BMW, or MB. This is not a great surprise.
In spite of all the responses you'll get on this board that claim they have a 100% trouble free car, and the other end where owners have a lemon and want GM to "wake up", you'll probably find that the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes. There is no way that the C6, a GM product after all, can be as reliable as the best Japanese or even Korean brands. It's just not going to happen. Experiences obviously will vary, but most C6's will require at least some unscheduled service. In my own experience, the majority of these trips have been to address minor issues or to have TSB or recall work performed. Other than a DBS incident, none of this rendered the car unusable. I had at least as many service issues with a BMW 528 and BMW Z3, far fewer issues with a BMW Z4, and Audis, Mazdas, and Hondas.
As each issue is addressed, there seem to be fewer new issues cropping up with my own car. Right now, the car seems to be in a fairly reliable groove, with the reflash for DBS having been the only real service I've had since I brought it in for the roof inspection...which turned out to be fine. If you recognize that this is a high performance car built by GM, and that it may require some service for electronic or mechanical issues, you'll be just fine with the reliability. If you expect it to have Japanese build quality and reliability, I think you'll be setting yourself up for some disappointment and frustration. It's an excellent vehicle and offers a lot of bang for the buck, but it is far from perfect.
Enjoy the C6 for what it is. If reliability is your highest priority, then I'd suggest something in a Japanese roadster is more appropriate. If the power and styling of the C6 are too intoxicating to resist, then just enjoy the experience and deal with the few problems you may encounter along the way. It's a judgment call, but I think it's well worth it.
In spite of all the responses you'll get on this board that claim they have a 100% trouble free car, and the other end where owners have a lemon and want GM to "wake up", you'll probably find that the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes. There is no way that the C6, a GM product after all, can be as reliable as the best Japanese or even Korean brands. It's just not going to happen. Experiences obviously will vary, but most C6's will require at least some unscheduled service. In my own experience, the majority of these trips have been to address minor issues or to have TSB or recall work performed. Other than a DBS incident, none of this rendered the car unusable. I had at least as many service issues with a BMW 528 and BMW Z3, far fewer issues with a BMW Z4, and Audis, Mazdas, and Hondas.
As each issue is addressed, there seem to be fewer new issues cropping up with my own car. Right now, the car seems to be in a fairly reliable groove, with the reflash for DBS having been the only real service I've had since I brought it in for the roof inspection...which turned out to be fine. If you recognize that this is a high performance car built by GM, and that it may require some service for electronic or mechanical issues, you'll be just fine with the reliability. If you expect it to have Japanese build quality and reliability, I think you'll be setting yourself up for some disappointment and frustration. It's an excellent vehicle and offers a lot of bang for the buck, but it is far from perfect.
Enjoy the C6 for what it is. If reliability is your highest priority, then I'd suggest something in a Japanese roadster is more appropriate. If the power and styling of the C6 are too intoxicating to resist, then just enjoy the experience and deal with the few problems you may encounter along the way. It's a judgment call, but I think it's well worth it.
Last edited by StanNH; Nov 12, 2006 at 12:02 PM.
Safety Car
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Other than squeaky brakes on my 05 Z-51 I have had no problems. The car has $5,700 miles on it. I just live with the brake squeal since I dont want to take it to the dealership and risk damage.
Pro
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Here are mine after 8mos/10,000 miles
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1548054
I don't think any big surprises here - it is what it is.
I don't think any big surprises here - it is what it is.
Instructor
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From: Fullerton Ca
Originally Posted by Wayne O
I think you're more apt to read about problems on a forum than accounts of no problems...this is natural. The C6 can have problems like any car but I would think the vast majority of owners have few if any problems.
Certainly certain problems have been indentified and addressed by GM....the delaminating roof panel has been the most publicized defect. It was a non-issue for me....my roof panel was replaced and repaired and has been fine. A new design 'SMC' roof panel is now being used.
My 2005 C6 has been virtually trouble-free. It is a great car from a mechanical and reliability standpoint and from an enjoyment standpoint.
Of those that have had a problem...ask how many would get rid of their C6 and buy a different make....not very many I would wager.
Certainly certain problems have been indentified and addressed by GM....the delaminating roof panel has been the most publicized defect. It was a non-issue for me....my roof panel was replaced and repaired and has been fine. A new design 'SMC' roof panel is now being used.
My 2005 C6 has been virtually trouble-free. It is a great car from a mechanical and reliability standpoint and from an enjoyment standpoint.
Of those that have had a problem...ask how many would get rid of their C6 and buy a different make....not very many I would wager.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by StanNH
Everyone has had a different experience.
...it is less reliable than brands like Toyota or Honda, and about as good as some competitors like Porsche, BMW, or MB.
.. the majority of these trips have been to address minor issues...
...none of this rendered the car unusable.
...As each issue is addressed, there seem to be fewer new issues
..an excellent vehicle and offers a lot of bang for the buck, but it is far from perfect.
Enjoy the C6 for what it is.
But I wanted to make an exception -- StanNH gets it right. We don't help by sugarcoating the truth, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense to just whine about it not being perfect, when we knew that going in, and made the choice.
I am not going to quit talking about both the good and the bad of the car for as long as I have mine, but I will try my level best to keep it fact based and non-inflammatory. For those that just got yours new, or are Fanboys and can't stand to hear anything negative, I'd (very seriously) suggest just keeping to the threads on mods, track days, parades, etc, and ignore the ones like the thread on Z06 spun bearings. The people on that thread may not have all the facts, but they are trying to understand what (if anything) might be amiss in the design or process.
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Originally Posted by Roofless
I have had no problem whatsoever except for the urge I keep getting to just let it run.
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Originally Posted by TrackNoob
Like lvjetboy, I kinda pride myself on limiting my number of "me too" postings to as near zero as possible. I figure if I am not disagreeing, or adding some new information/perspective, then why post?
Le Mans Master
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From: North Western Connecticut
Originally Posted by sac2165
Folks with problems post alot more than those without
.. After first joining the forum and researching my vette I almost didn't buy one. It seemed like they were a pile of junk waiting to break down! I have 6000 miles on 06 and have yet to have even one quality issue. Not saying every vette is going to be trouble free but I believe quality issues are WAY WAY over blown! Relax, get your car and enjoy it. For the price it's the best performance ride available.....