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I had a Ford that I purchased new a couple of years back, long story short, after 6 visits to the dealership I purchased it from with the same problem, I went through Ford Arbitration and Ford bought back the automobile..I believe it took 6 months from start to finish..
Sorry to hear your situation, that is terrible, and the dealership "no comment"..
i may have missed this info posted by someone else - hold the window switch up for a few seconds, release switch then up again for a few seconds, it should then go all the way up (needs to be indexed) (few= more than 3 seconds)
tyler, I'd like to agree with you re K-ville cars exhibiting more distress/issues. But, since most of what would be damaged is electronic/electrical, one never really knows thhe extent.
Even in the relatively "simple" C4s which was 2 generations of Corvettes ago, a simple flood of the car might not immediately produce any bad signs. Until later. Then would come all kinds of issues due to contact points being corroded, wire harnesses being compromised, etc.
I'm with you (as are we all), though, I hope it's a simple fix.
Mine never went underwater, though -- this I know for sure since I owned it since new. I bought one of the first 2005 coupes on the west coast, and I had nothing but major problems with it.
As many good ones are out there, there are some truly terrible Corvette lemons. Never again will I buy a first-year vehicle. Buyer beware...
Good luck with everything.
It's not only GM. I bought the first year run of the "NEW" F150. That truck was in the shop more than it was in my driveway. I traded it in with only 8000 miles on it and took a beating. 2yrs later I had the nerve to buy another New F150 (07). The 2 trucks are night and day. I have over 11,000 trouble free miles on this one.
Can't say it enough................Beware of first year "New Models".
Sorry for all the problems you have but that's a chance you take buying the first year of a redesigned car..
How about the thousand upon thousand with no problems from 05? Maybe he got a lemon, which could be made in ANY year! Or perhaps, the car had issues prior to him purchasing it, which the dealer may or may not have been aware of?
I am really tired of the moaning about people buying an 05, mine has been perfect, as well as MOST others!
I just opened a case with GM.They called the service manager at the dealership (which is 90 miles away because I didn't drive it home in the rain with the windows down) and they said they could not find a problem with the car and that I could come pick it up later. I told the person I was talking to that that was completely unacceptable and "they probably didn't find the problem...because when you have electrical problems due to your car flooding just 7 days after you bought the car, you could rip the entire car apart and never find the problem...but does that mean that there isn't a problem? No that means the problem is still there, you just can't find it."
He put me in touch with his supervisor who called the service guy again...this time he said they were going to try further to find the problem. she then asked me what my expectations were and I told her that I don't feel like I should have to keep a car that I can't get in and drive. She said that "buyback would not be a feasible goal in this case."
I said "I think you should work on that because I have a very expensive car from your company that I can't even drive." She said she would contact the service manager again this afternoon for a status update. Does anyone know anyone like a Corvette regional manager or someone like that I could talk to?
I really don't know what responsibility GM has to replace your car since you didn't buy it new. But, since it is a certified, GM used car bought from a GM dealer (I'm assuming), that should count for something with GM.
At the most, I'd expect that they will fix the car to be in good condition. And if they can't do that, they may (stress: may) find you a comparable car; it wouldn't be new. It might be the same year and similarly but not exactly the same equipment.
At this point, I'm sure they're trying to assess who's at fault. As well as what's really wrong with the car. You've got a documented history with the dealer of why it's been brought in---that's good. While I don't think there's anything you've done, there may be. It's a small window for them as a "get-out".
Keep us posted and try to stay as calm as possible. The car and the dealer are the issues. Don't make it be you, or your attitude toward those on the phone who've never met you.
Each state is different but your putting extra stress on yourself.. Seems like this car had issues and the previous owner dumped there problems on you.. Go to the yellow pages and look up a lemon law attorney.. I did this in 2000 after I lived in the service dept with a Navigator. Took about 2 months but I got all my money back - documentation is the key..
Your wasting time ASKING GM to buy it back - this co. is in a cash crunch - there interests are not in your favor.. Your the victim of the previous owner and a incompetent dealer.. You should have better luck with a 08..
sj, as you say, every state is different. It could be that the state where tyler lives, there is no applicable lemon law for a used car, certified or not.
But your idea isn't a bad one. Let's see what GM comes up with.
Regardless of whose fault this is, the issue is that he bought a car and expects to be able to drive it. Is that unreasonable? NO.
I see the biggest fault here with that dealership. Instead of doing whatever they can to make the OP glad he did business with them, they are trying to do as little as possible to get by.
What comes around goes around, right? Where will he buy his next car? What will he tell his friends and us on this forum about this dealership? Do they even care about this?
Like I said in another thread, problems with any product will occur. What really counts is how the place you got it from deals with it.
At this point, I would say all the fault is with the dealership that sold it to you. They need to offer you options that you can be happy with since they sold you something that is basically not doing what you need it to.
I don't understand the flooding part, however, if the car got flooded twice after you got it, then I really don't think the dealership is to blame. Like was said before, once that happens, all bets are off. If you find that you need service and one dealership cannot solve the problem, maybe you have to try another (which I think you may have said you did). Same for any garage. You need to find a place you trust will do what you need. That is why you take it to them in the first place.
An extended warranty is your best defense right now... do whatever it takes and get warranty extended.. did I mention getting the warranty extended???
Sounds like car was in an accident and left vulnerable to the elements or has minor flood damage, and not just first model year issues. I would trace car back to original owners and see if you can uncover anything. If dealer knowingly sold you a lemon then drop the hammer!
This sounds like the atypical run of the mill Florida Flood car ship'd some where else after it dryed out. They are ususally heavy perfumed and then exhibit all the multifaceted problems you state.
GM builds what, like 40k vette's a year? That means there has to be at least 2k of them that have some significant problems. Overall that is like 2 out of 40 that are bad. Why is everyone still complaining?
(Keep in mind these are ball park figures, so remember that if you intend to flame me for shooting these numbers out)
if your numbers are even close to correct then that is horrible...5% is not exactly quality control by any means. That's just letting it all fly and hoping most are good like they should be.
if your numbers are even close to correct then that is horrible...5% is not exactly quality control by any means. That's just letting it all fly and hoping most are good like they should be.
No... 20 out of 100 is horrible not 5 out of 100, if anything it should be looked into to make it under 5% though. I think you are too **** about things to think 5 out of 100 is horrible.
No... 20 out of 100 is horrible not 5 out of 100, if anything it should be looked into to make it under 5% though. I think you are too **** about things to think 5 out of 100 is horrible.
For the '05's with the MN6 tranny, roughly 1/4 -1/3 had DBS problems. That was rough!