An LBEAR follower..... and you need to learn how to quote a post, as it is screwing up my quoting of your post and I have to fix your mistakes to make your quote look proper.

 

That is where the debate rages. Time will tell if the strategy of GM worked. IMHO, it will fail.
Does the GS sell because everyone wants it or does the GS sell because that is what GM is pushing/marketing and GM has made the base coupe a leper?

Uh oh, get ready to be stalked by the Canadian racer.

 

[QUOTE=laconiajack;1575475552]GM didn't put any of their eggs into the Grand Sport basket other then new wheels and new front fenders. They still have full manufacturing capability to produce 100 % of their production being base C6's. Their suppliers still have the old molds for the fenders and the front fascia for the Base C6, Their suppliers still have full manufacturing capacity to produce 35,000 base C6's today just as they had in 2008. They can build 35,000 base C6's if their customers wanted them, the problem is that their customers don't want them, in this economy.

Tell you what, give Wes Milby a call tomorrow and tell him you want to order 10,000 base C6's (he will want 100% prepayment before he submits the order to GM). With them being paid for, GM will turn flips to get them produced for Wes and he will turn flips when you pick them up. GM would love to get an order for 10,000 base C6's.

The only thing holding up base C6 production is lack of customers that want them. That doesn't mean that the base C6 is a bad car, as it's a great car. There's just no market for them, just as there is no market for the Z06. Oh, and I don't own a Grand Sport, I own a Z06.

And please stop messing with the quotes. Either post peoples quotes correctly or not at all. You messed with my post and now it comes out that you quoted part of my post along with your post, but it appears that it was all my post. I did not post "Looking at the 2010 sales literature," ...............through the end of the quote, that's your reply, but it appears to be my post. Play right or don't play at all. I don't like you literally putting words in my mouth.

 

All I can say is thank god they had the base coupe or else I would not have been able to buy my base coupe thos past weekend! Now would I have liked to have bought a Z06 or a ZR1 but, I don't have that kind of money. Maybe some day. Anyway... I came from a GT500 with lots of hp and while my c6 has less.....I still love it!!!

Happy Motoring!!

 

Amen and the way it should be. The only way to make that option cheaper is to not purchase it, and I don't see that happening. To me it's a fair price for what you get.

 

IMO if the LS 3 Vette "NEEDED" the Z width wheel/tire combo ,then the GM design staff would have made the base Vette a widebody (GS) in the first place. Plain and simple,some buyers fell in love with the wide bodied ZO6(for its' looks) and had to have it or a Vette that looks like it.Then some appreciate the Z cars for what's under the hood.

 

In this economy Apples to Oranges.Part of the actual dimise of the Viper was due to low sales because of its price. Same as we see for the Z cars

 

A lot of BS here.....

 

Reason is no base pics here because everyone is buying GS, the buyer is telling GM what they want and it is GS hands down, just look at the numbers, come on, this is a no brainer.

 

Newbie but, from my thoughts..had money not been an issue I would have bought Z06 or ZR1...as I prefer or look for performance of a sports car more than just add ons. MOney was an issue and so I had to get a base coupe. I love the car and will enjoy driving it...but would have loved to get something with a few more hp had I been able.

Now..NOTHING against the GS..beautiful car...just my preference is power first. LOL!

Again to each his own...

 

And this is the way it should be and the way it is. GM offers different models/options and the customer selects which model/options best suits his needs/wants/desires/finances. GM has presented us with models/options that range from $50,000 to $125,000, horsepower from 430 to 638. Surely there is a car within that range that suits everyone without having to knock another person's choice in his Corvette.

 

Hey guys, remember it costs $ 600 just to have a different colored part around the headlights. Administrative issues are not GM's strong point.

 

This is true. On my recent buyer's tour (3 weeks ago) of the BG plant, my impression (no, I didn't specifically count them) of the cars on the line was: mostly GS's, a few bases (maybe 5-10%), a few Z06's (another 5-10%), and I was actually surprised by the number of ZR1's (I would say 15-20%). Now maybe that was just because I noticed the "coolest" car, or there just happened to be a few on the line around my car, but before I got there my expectation was that I would see very few ZR1's.

Another observation during my courtesy delivery in SoCal: They had 5 ZR1's on the lot (my son, the super car fan took pictures with every one of them), I don't remember seeing any other new inventory (except my TR GS parked in front waiting for me). They did have 4-5 used base cars though for sure. Again, I didn't specifically count, and to be honest, I couldn't take my eyes of my beautiful car, so my observations may be just looking at the greener grass over the fence!

 

You need to check option sheets on other cars of that caliber, it isn't just GM believe me.

 

MY GS vs Base opinion...

If you ganna do top speed pulls all the time go base vette....Since so many of us do that hahah. You base guys love to pull that card. ok you can have the win.

If your ganna go to the track. GS all the way. dry sump, width, brakes.

Now what you all have been waiting for STRAIT LINE PERFORMANCE.....03 04 cobra all the way.hahahah I hear these base guys say im all about power.

If I am in a GS and you are in a base vette and we are doing a 40-140 pull Im sure its ganna be a nail bitter. I doubt you base vette dudes will walk away. Maybe a half car. That’s saying we are equal drivers which is rarely the case.

The difference in performance between the z51 and the GS is to close to compare in stock form. The GS has more of a mod friendly appeal. No need to piece together the rear for bigger tires, dry sump for harder turning and a forged crank(i think).



Now for the z06 guys....Your car is far superior as far as stock performance. I do not nock that at all. The single thing that kept me from buy a z was the roof. I enjoy riding with my GF in the evening with the top off more than winning a race, that simple. There are times when I wish I had a Z but those times are far less than when I want the top. If it’s the other way around get a z, simple.

If you want to go fast all the time and don't care about the roof skip the little brothers and get a z. The GS and the base are just younger bothers that pick on each other.

The looks of the GS and the Base are subjective and can't be justified by anyone.

As far as price....Well the GS if 5k more. Fine I get the finders front and back so say 2.5k for the base vette to do that. The dry sump maybe 2k i have no idea but it’s not cheap. rims 1k for rims. So you have 5500k. Im sure it’s more but for sake of argument.

When I sell the car say I get 2k more for mine over the base. Ok that’s 2.5k more that you paid for the base and I never had to touch a thing. I think that’s simple to see. If you don’t mod the base and I get 2k more than I’m out 3k over you…..wow that changes everything. Not.

All vettes are great cars and we need to start realizing that they all have strengths and weaknesses.

 

The manual GS definitely has the forged crank, 100%.

 

Not the manual GS convertible.

 

you are correct, only the hand assembled engine.

 

Whoa! Finally a voice of reason! What a breath of fresh air here.

Mark

 

True but I haven't seen a test where the Zxx or GS ran slower than a base car in the slalom.

GTFO. The GrandSport kicked the crap out of both cars at the track and the '11 GS was even better. THe Porsche won because of C/D's normal bias towards steering feel and interiors. Don't make things up.

I don't think the fenders make much of a difference. The Corvette is wide car in any form. Learn how to drive one and it really doesn't matter.