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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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I will repeat it again for those that do not understand. The drawing that Bugman shows is NOT a GM drawing not approved by GM. The Drawing is a MODIFIED drawing that GM originally drew and approved. ANY drawings and instructions that have been modified by someone other the GM are no longer GM approved drawings.

I could take a GM drawing and modify it to show a 4 X 4 placed across the car under the roof panel and then say the jacking points are at the ends of the 4 X 4. Just because I started out with a approved GM drawing, does not make my modified drawing an approved GM drawing and anyone who follows that drawing and it's instructions are stupid if they beleive they are following a GM approved drawing.
Also understand I have been using a version of the Bugman method with zero issues. From what I can tell many people have used the same method sucessfully on C5s and C6s for years. So...

If you are a "stick to the manual" kind of guy, or just to scared to make any decisions on your own without consulting a GM engineer, stick to the EXACT procedure as described in the manual.

But if you are a crazy wild eyed maverick you may want to look into life beyond the owners manual. We can share pictures of our "folded in half" C6s!
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifter6
Also understand I have been using a version of the Bugman method with zero issues. From what I can tell many people have used the same method sucessfully on C5s and C6s for years. So...

If you are a "stick to the manual" kind of guy, or just to scared to make any decisions on your own without consulting a GM engineer, stick to the EXACT procedure as described in the manual.

But if you are a crazy wild eyed maverick you may want to look into life beyond the owners manual. We can share pictures of our "folded in half" C6s!
There is a good chance that you have a product in your home that I either designed/engineered directly or designed/engineered the machine/tooling used to make that product. I have seen first hand what happens when people start using their own home brewed engineering talents. Even tool makers, machinists and maintenance personnel that have much more experience training/education then the home brewed engineer make some really stupid mistakes when they fail to follow the drawings/instructions.

Even something as simple as jacking a car can lead to problems unknown to the person doing the jacking at a later date. GM is quite adamant as to how/where to jack on the crossmembers, for the end user. Sure, you, and others, may jack in the middle of the crossmember or jack with the entire weight of the front of the car supported by a single rib on the crossmember, but you could create a stress fracture and not be aware of it. Some time down the road, that stress fracture enlarges due to forces on the crossmember other then the original jacking, causing a premature failure.

Personally, I'll accept the fact that the GM engineers that designed the car and the crossmember, know what he's doing and I will follow his instructions as to where to jack. Maybe it's just one engineer respecting the knowledge of a fellow engineer. I, for one, do not want to experience a premature failure of the suspension while doing 150 MPH on the 33 degree banked turns at Talladega(which I do).

Of course you are fully capable of making any decision you wish. Kind of like the home brewed engineer that tried to remove a 700 pound engine/transmission from his car using his kid's backyard swing set. He also made a decision, but not necessarily a correct one.

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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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If your car folds in half because you jacked it wrong, blow really hard into the exhaust pipes and it will unfold back to original form, then plug the pipes and you're good
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:38 PM
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Thought I would pass along a safety tip that I have used for years. If the car is jacked up and the wheel is removed, I always lay the wheel flat on the ground and slide it part way under the rocker panels. That way if the car falls off of the jack, it is supported a few inches off of the ground by the wheel and tire. That few inches will allow you to get out from under the car and not be crushed. It may damage the wheel if the car falls, but is cheap insurance against getting crushed.
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
There is a good chance that you have a product in your home that I either designed/engineered directly or designed/engineered the machine/tooling used to make that product. I have seen first hand what happens when people start using their own home brewed engineering talents. Even tool makers, machinists and maintenance personnel that have much more experience training/education then the home brewed engineer make some really stupid mistakes when they fail to follow the drawings/instructions.


Life is full of risks. Ultimately we will have to take responsibility for the decisions we make.
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifter6


Life is full of risks. Ultimately we will have to take responsibility for the decisions we make.
But sometimes others suffer from our mistakes. One can make the decision to try and make the light before it turns red, but the poor soccer Mom and her van full of kids you t-boned may not feel the same as you did about your decision.
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
But sometimes others suffer from our mistakes. One can make the decision to try and make the light before it turns red, but the poor soccer Mom and her van full of kids you t-boned may not feel the same as you did about your decision.
I promise I will not let the soccer mom or the van load of kids near me when I jack up my C6.
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
I quite confident that all 320,000,000 of us fellow Americans know that you never make any incorrect decisions, much less any that might affect the rest of us..
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