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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 07:43 PM
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It's obvious that you don't like the OEM NAV, and alot of members share your views, but on the flip flop, many members do like the NAV, and actually know how to use it. Maybe it's not as user friendly as the after market ones, and the graphics aren't to your standards, but the system actually works quite well. There are many options to setting up a backup camera, without needing to use the Nav screen, for alot less money than buying a Lockpick, or a new Nav unit.
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Originally Posted by jcarl
After installation of the Lockpick 360 does the touch screen still work or is all the screen control have to be done with the hand-held remote control?
touch screen would still work
you would control the new features via the remote

and again
they are not available to purchase anyways
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 08:53 PM
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does the lockpic still require soldering to the board to get the camera input to work? (the older ones did)

I'd love to do this on mine, or an aftermarket. The one thing I like on the factory nav is that it works with the HUD since I never leave it "talking".

Does anyone make an aftermarket unit with a backup camera and that still displays on the HUD? thx Dan
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LV2TOUR
It's obvious that you don't like the OEM NAV, and alot of members share your views, but on the flip flop, many members do like the NAV, and actually know how to use it. Maybe it's not as user friendly as the after market ones, and the graphics aren't to your standards, but the system actually works quite well. There are many options to setting up a backup camera, without needing to use the Nav screen, for alot less money than buying a Lockpick, or a new Nav unit.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LV2TOUR
It's obvious that you don't like the OEM NAV, and alot of members share your views, but on the flip flop, many members do like the NAV, and actually know how to use it. Maybe it's not as user friendly as the after market ones, and the graphics aren't to your standards, but the system actually works quite well. There are many options to setting up a backup camera, without needing to use the Nav screen, for alot less money than buying a Lockpick, or a new Nav unit.
Just my .02
I really don't know how you can say that the OEM Nav system works well. Either you like going on a wild goose chase or you have never taken a trip using the OEM Nav. IT STINKS and I know how to use it. I know how to use it VERY WELL. You program it for a 30 to 50 mile trip ANYWHERE and put a Garmin on your console and I will bet ANYTHING the Garmin takes you there a different and FASTER way.

I did this on a couple of long trips.....A recent 1700 mile round trip and a couple of 450 mile trips CONVINCED me the OEM Nav unit is JUNK.

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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 10:23 PM
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We've been using the factory nav to travel all over the U.S. for six years/95k miles, and it has performed as well or better than the various Garmins that people in convoy with us have used. In our extensive experience, I've seen far more goofs from Garmins than from the factory nav. I suspect that's because many people think the garmin is so simple it's a non-brainer, and that's not quite true. Easier to use than the factory, but brain is still required.

We also own two Garmins, two other non-GM factory navs, and two cellphone navs.
Every nav system we use has different advantages and disadvantages. Anyone who expects any system to be faultless, is expecting too much. Anyone who says one of the current systems is worthless, doesn't know how to use it.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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I tried the Lockpick on my 2010. If I had gotten it right the first 3 times I tried installing the cable I would probably be raving about it. As it happened the screw driver slipped on the 4th try and $450.00 later I had a new motherboard in the radio.

I bought a Kenwood DNX 9990HD from Dennis. Kudo's to Dennis.The Kenwood is great but not perfect

Great
Garmin GPS
Ipod
Pandora
BU camera
USB input
looks the way OEM should have

Not so great
1. It's not like installing a radio in a 1958 Chevy. Pretty complex and the instructions assume that you have done it before. Dennis was great. He was more than willing to spend as much time as necessary to get the install right

2. Check the compatibility of your phone. Mine works but I do not have a functional address book. Nor does AHA work. If you have an Iphone or a high end Android it's probably not a problem. Just be aware that not every smart phone is on Kenwoods compatibility list

3. HUD compatibility
4. Steering Wheel Controls

Fixes on the way
AHA says they are working on it but my phone isn't a high priority
Kenwood is very responsive but my phone isn't on their compatibility list so they wish me well.
Dennis says that there is a new cable coming out soon that will interface with the steering wheel & HUD

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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 10:36 PM
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What are your options if you don't have factory navigation and don't want any navigation system to use as a screen? You will need a separate monitor from where? i.e. Amazon.com?
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearhead Jim
We've been using the factory nav to travel all over the U.S. for six years/95k miles, and it has performed as well or better than the various Garmins that people in convoy with us have used. In our extensive experience, I've seen far more goofs from Garmins than from the factory nav. I suspect that's because many people think the garmin is so simple it's a non-brainer, and that's not quite true. Easier to use than the factory, but brain is still required.

We also own two Garmins, two other non-GM factory navs, and two cellphone navs.
Every nav system we use has different advantages and disadvantages. Anyone who expects any system to be faultless, is expecting too much. Anyone who says one of the current systems is worthless, doesn't know how to use it.


I strongly dissagre with your assessment of those who don't like the OEM system don't know how to use it. I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. And,there are alot of other Corvette owners who know how to program their OEM Nav unit. Forget the different features that the Garmin has OVER the OEM unit. They are TOOOOO many to list. I do agree that no system is perfect. All I am interested in is getting from Point A to Point B. On many trips I have programed the OEM unit using all of what is offered by that unit to get me to Point B the fastest way. Also, changing the routes on the fly to get there faster. THE OEM UNIT IS WORTHLESS when compared to the Garmin I had sitting on the console with a 10 second set up to the location. PERIOD AND, like I said in a previous post I KNOW how to program and use the OEM unit. No need for any further discussion on this matter. The OEM Nav system doesn't compare in ANY way to the Garmin.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 11:15 PM
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Now the question is how to get a back-up camera if you do not want to use the Lockpick 360 or if you do not have a OEM navigation system to begin with and do not want to purchase an after market radio/nav system.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 11:42 PM
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I have searched the internet for hours looking at bu camera systems for my 2013 GS with the OEM navigation system. The Lockpick 360 is not available and I do not want to purchase a new radio/nav system. There are many stand alone bu camera systems out there. Wireless, wired etc. The problem I found was where to mount the screen and not destroy the current appearance of the interior of the car. I felt the best solution would be a screen that mounts over that useless ashtray but was unable to find a screen that size. Anyone have ideas or solutions that they will share on this forum?
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:01 AM
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Check out ProClipUSA.

They may have a mount that will work for you.

They use a 2-piece system. One piece fits the car and the other fits the device, and then they attach together to give you a complete mount.

The one I have for my phone clips to the center console next to the radio, on the passenger side.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cyber-vette
That is my install on my 2011 GS. Camera required a small amount of bumper to be shaved to fit as shown. I tied the camera into the reverse light power and the video cable was run up the passengers side. It's been almost 2 years and still works great. I removed the factory NAV and installed a Kenwood 9980HD unit.
Nice install and a little off topic but couldn't help noticing the squarish plexiglass(?) plate riveted over the rear keyway. Problems with others breaking in through this lock? Is this something we Forum Members should be aware of or just a precaution?

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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 08:54 AM
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Kind chancy but you might try taking apart a rear view mirror that has a camera. I believe the screen is a regular video screen shooting through one way glass. I think that would fit in the ashtray.

Ebay has a critique of cameras. It is pretty good info. Among the suggestions is to make sure it has a built in grid.

I have a camera from Coastal Electronics (see earlier post about the Lockpick) It is OK but no where near as great as the camera in my Wife's Acura. I am going to try replacing it with one of those if I can find one. Then use the Coastal for the front camera. Probably end up with more gray hair watching the front air dam bend
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Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
I strongly dissagre with your assessment of those who don't like the OEM system don't know how to use it. I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. And,there are alot of other Corvette owners who know how to program their OEM Nav unit. Forget the different features that the Garmin has OVER the OEM unit. They are TOOOOO many to list. I do agree that no system is perfect. All I am interested in is getting from Point A to Point B. On many trips I have programed the OEM unit using all of what is offered by that unit to get me to Point B the fastest way. Also, changing the routes on the fly to get there faster. THE OEM UNIT IS WORTHLESS when compared to the Garmin I had sitting on the console with a 10 second set up to the location. PERIOD AND, like I said in a previous post I KNOW how to program and use the OEM unit. No need for any further discussion on this matter. The OEM Nav system doesn't compare in ANY way to the Garmin.
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Oh Captain, please: Saying that the OEM Nav is totally useless is something someone might say if they don't know how to use it properly.

I'll agree that the Garmin is easier to use, and better graphics, but that's it. It's not any better in mapping a route that the build in Nav.
I've used the Nav on all my longish road trips (1700 miles, 2200 miles, and 4500 miles) and it's never led me anywhere but to my destination in the fastest possible route.
We will always agree to disagree on this matter. You keep using your Garmin, on your dashboard, and I'll stick to my built in Nav unit.
Your Garmin will always get you where you want to go, and My Nav will always do the same for me.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 10:35 AM
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Looking into this also for my GS. What I can't understand is why our cars don't come with a camera preinstalled. My HEMI RAM (which only cost me $25K) comes complete with NAV and rear view. Why is it so difficult for GM to put one in there flagship $60K sportscar? Why not make it a standard option with the 2LT (or better) NAV upgrades?

It just seems so ignorant to me that we don't have this option.
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Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
I strongly dissagre with your assessment of those who don't like the OEM system don't know how to use it. I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. And,there are alot of other Corvette owners who know how to program their OEM Nav unit. Forget the different features that the Garmin has OVER the OEM unit. They are TOOOOO many to list. I do agree that no system is perfect. All I am interested in is getting from Point A to Point B. On many trips I have programed the OEM unit using all of what is offered by that unit to get me to Point B the fastest way. Also, changing the routes on the fly to get there faster. THE OEM UNIT IS WORTHLESS when compared to the Garmin I had sitting on the console with a 10 second set up to the location. PERIOD AND, like I said in a previous post I KNOW how to program and use the OEM unit. No need for any further discussion on this matter. The OEM Nav system doesn't compare in ANY way to the Garmin.
I guess I've just been very lucky to find my way around for the last 6 yrs/95k miles. Somehow, I expect my luck to continue.
And the other people we travel with who have had bad routings/directions with their Garmins, are just unlucky.

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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 10:51 AM
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One point that has gone unmentioned is that My boat, handheld, and portable (dashboard) GPS's are all Garmin. It is really nice not having a learning curve.
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My wife's 2012 Caddy SRX has nav with a bu camera that works great. So we know that GM has Nav systems that will do what we want. Story is that bu cameras are required in all 2014 cars.
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My wife's 2012 Caddy SRX has nav with a bu camera that works great. So we know that GM has Nav systems that will do what we want. Story is that bu cameras are required in all 2014 cars.
FYI, it's not the same NAV as the Vetts.
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