WTF? Is the weight correct? 3245 lbs for C6 vs. 3218 lbs for the C5 Coupe?:nonod:

Also another comparo - brake rotor diameters: F/R

C5: 12.8 / 12.0
C6: 13.5 / 12.5 :cheers:

 

BMadden. Welcome to the Forum :cheers: Unfavorable reviews are welcome as long as they are objective like yours. You have a right to be wrong :D J/K Welcome.

6t7 .... I've seen plenty of C5 folks that do like it (like me) and plenty that don't. Same w/ owners of C4, C3 . There really doesn't seem to much of a trend in that respect. :chevy

 

its not the final number, i was just reading the article and it said it was estimated at that weight. i quoted this "Note the cross-drilled rotors and functional fender vents of the z06."
if you look close at the pic you will see the lines of the rear end (creased) and pushed the the door and the lines of the side scoop are pushed upwards so that they pass by eachother. it doesn't sound like a big deal, but that little detail will make this car more beautiful that any before. with exeption to the wierd smiley face grill, lol
its also gonna have a heads up display, these vette really are turning into fighter jets


[Modified by number77, 6:43 AM 12/23/2003]

 

I think it looks pretty good...I also think it could look better but I'm not really disappointed. Was expecting the worst so I'm pleasantly surprised. Now to start saving up some cash :D

 

O/A length spec of 174.9" is actually 0.2" shorter than my SWC.

C5 O/A length is 179.6" Delta = -4.7"

Duke

 

Thanks for all the pix ...
I need to see one in person since from these pix, it just looks OK for the ext. and int. ...
The side vents don't look as nice as C5, the steering wheel, the dash, just like others said, belongs to a truck :D It only has 400 hp's and heavier than C5 :nonod:
My C5 is already more than 475 hp's and looks smoother than those pix ...
Just my 0.02$
BTW: C6 only looks great from the top view :D




[Modified by mike76002, 1:16 AM 12/23/2003]

 

Yeah, but you get 4 spokes instead of 3. So much for easier to turn the wheel in an auto-x.

 

GDP,

Thanks for posting the pictures!!

 

Thanks for the info :thumbs:
Can't wait to see it in person.

 

If that is the steering wheel in the C6,the C5 just appreciated in value!
That is absoulutely pititful!

 

:eek: :thumbs: :cheers: I like it... :party:

 

GDP,

Well done :thumbs:. This is better news than most realize. If the information is completely correct then there are a few things for all to think about:

1. If that's really the price then for barely more than the outgoing C5 we now have a significantly improved C6. I don't know how GM did that.
2. Among the C6's many notable improvements is the fact that they dropped the coefficient of drag by yet another notch. To this day no other sports/supercar was even able to catch the outgoing 0.29 number. Nicely done GM. I'm sure no small part of this is due to what appears to be a slight narrowing of the car and no increase in the width of the front tires. Incredibly though, grip will be increased due to an apparent change in the profile of the tires. Slick.
3. I am at a complete loss to explain how GM raised the power of the car by nearly 15% to an estimated 400hp with no corresponding change in its fuel mileage. This becomes even more difficult to comprehend when one realizes that the engine increased in displacement and the overall weight of the car appears to be up slightly. Clearly GM engine/powertrain engineers are at the head of the industry's class.
4. Body panel and paint quality all appear to be better.
5. The interior is a major step forward. Those who bemoan the "Malibu steering wheel" apparently have not read All Corvettes are Red and/or are not familiar with the intricacies of vehicle design. To keep the Corvette's price down they had to share parts with other cars. To redesign a major specific part like a steering wheel would have significantly increased the price of the car. Keep doing that with other parts and soon you have a significant overall increase. Those who say GM should have used the CTS's wheel? All you would have is a bunch of people decrying that bit of parts sharing. I do like the fact that I do not have to go out and buy a colored decal of the Vette logo for the center of the wheel as I did with my current car. Nice touch. Thank you GM.
6. The weight of the car is not much changed from the outgoing Vette but - as was mentioned before - the car has the same mileage, increased safety from side impact airbags, increased comfort from optional heated seats, better lighting from HIDs, the inclusion of a voice-activated (say "I'm hungry" and it starts targeting restaurants!!) DVD based NAV system et al, all of which should have added considerable amounts of weight but somehow barely did. Must be the 5" overall drop in length. Slick.
7. With its shorter overall length, slightly narrower width, significantly increased grip and power it will go from a holy terror on an autocross course to next to impossible to defeat. EXCELLENT.
8. They stiffened the structure?! Words almost fail me. When the C5 debuted its revolutionary hydroformed frame set a world standard for structural integrity which has barely been approached by some comers. GM has now raised the bar?! I think the operative phrase for the C6's competitors now runs something along the lines of "weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth."
9. The all-important power-to-weight ratio of the C6 is significantly better that the outgoing C5 and comes wickedly close to that of the current Z06. With its superior aerodynamics it is extremely unlikely that even a Z06 could outrun a C6.
10. 18"/19" wheels with optional very cool looking cross-drilled rotors. Ahhhh... I think I will order my C6 in Silver/Black with the groundbreaking magnetic ride control system then just have my dealer swap out the brake set for those bigger brakes. Then it's off for another five glorious years with a rolling tribute to the continuing greatness of the American auto industry.

:chevy

 

Thanks for posting the pics.

I can live with the front end (the egg-crate/"brace-face" grill looks better when it is more in the shade, unlike the cover photo), though the fog lamps and pillars next to them look a bit thick. At least it will not be mistaken for a C5. Other cars do look similar (reminded me of 99+ Miata at first glance), but the same was said of C5 at intro and it proved to be a well-received design.

The rear has a few awkward spots: the gray plastic doesn't seem to fit properly (big gaps/separation where it meets the rear; would probably have looked better more flush like the Grand Prix) and the tail lights appear too large for the back of the car. I like the placement of the backup lights, though.

The profile, as others have stated, appears to be the best shot of the car. I like how the lines on the side extend past the vent behind the front wheel; perhaps future/Z06 models will have more vents/gills similar to C3.

The interior does seem a bit subdued for a Corvette, and the steering wheel out of place (maybe there are some smaller details we are missing in these shots). No doubt it is surely the best quality to appear inside a Vette; just does not appear very performance-oriented.

Overall, I think the car will be received well. Of course there are always skeptics and certainly high expectations for a car of this stature, and I think it will grow on most in time. GM has brought us a modern and evolved Corvette with some heritage cues, the best quality to date for the car, and what will surely be the best performance value available. Isn't that what everyone was asking for?


:thumbs:

 

Bwright, I agree with most of what you said. However, I much prefer the C5's interior design. Overall, I think GM has raised the bar and am proud of Chevrolet and their new Corvette. :thumbs:

 

There's no correlation between peak power rating and EPA mileage. The key is light weight, low aero drag, engine efficiency, and gearing. During the emission certification test where the EPA numbers are derived the engine is only operated at very low throttle and revs. High engine thermal and mechanical efficiency will yield excellent numbers on a light aerodynamic car. This is one area where a big pushrod engine is superior to DOHC since a pushrod engine has relatively low internal friction at low revs. Skip shift is also a big help. The rest is dogged detailed design. Note that the CR has increased to 10.9:1. CR is a big factor in thermal efficiency.

I'm mildly disappointed that the weight isn't down a little, but I'll get over it. There was good reason to believe that C6 curb weight might drop one EPA weight class, which are divided into 125 pound incrememts. The banter about 300 pound or more weight reductions was just someone's pipe dream.

The LS2 torque bandwidth is broader than LS6, so even though C6 is 125 pounds heavier than the current Z06, it's acceleration performance is essentially the same.

Duke

 

The Infiniti G35 c/d is .27, and there are other non-econos in that range, including at least one .26. It's a useful concept, but even the ride height affects it. If you drop the ride height of an early C4 by an inch, for example, it decreases the c/d by a full point.

I'd take the drag to get better looks/styling.

 

:iagree: :iagree:

 

Hey, that tickles! :jester

Thanks GDP!!!

 

:iagree:

 

If they have a $300 option for an improved steering wheel I'll get that option. :lol: