Callaway SC Setup?
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http://www.callawaycars.com/callaway...ts/SC606V2.pdf
Not a lot of bang for your buck, but they do give you a warranty...
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Yup. The supercharger system they install retails for $7450. Dealer cost on that is probably 6K. Say they charge $2 for the installation: maybe they take the remaining $12,000 and put it on a savings account for 3 years in case your stock engine pops so they can use $3K of that money to cover a new block under warranty?
Nothing against callaway: they do great work... But $21K for a maggie? Ouch
Nothing against callaway: they do great work... But $21K for a maggie? Ouch
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Nope. $21,000 for a Magnacharger blower kit bolted on to a bone stock engine and drivetrain. Here's the spec sheet:
http://www.callawaycars.com/callaway...ts/SC606V2.pdf
Not a lot of bang for your buck, but they do give you a warranty...
http://www.callawaycars.com/callaway...ts/SC606V2.pdf
Not a lot of bang for your buck, but they do give you a warranty...
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Nope. $21,000 for a Magnacharger blower kit bolted on to a bone stock engine and drivetrain. Here's the spec sheet:
http://www.callawaycars.com/callaway...ts/SC606V2.pdf
Not a lot of bang for your buck, but they do give you a warranty...
http://www.callawaycars.com/callaway...ts/SC606V2.pdf
Not a lot of bang for your buck, but they do give you a warranty...
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Same goes with LPE Corvettes. I'd go the Callaway or LPE route, but I don't like the Magnacharger style superchargers. I prefer the Centri. S/C.
Your paying for the name, the quality work that comes with the name, and the warranty. Sure the walmart pants may cost $5.00..... but people prefer the name brand pants and will pay more for them.
As for doing the mods yourself, sure you'll save a bundle, but don't expect to get much back for the $$ you invested... its still a normal corvette.
Last edited by blaine123; Sep 24, 2010 at 03:46 PM.
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I do not think it is appropriate to beat up Callaway. They truly have the best warranty and a beautifully integrated package. That plus the reputation and probable resale value make the price point OK for some people, obviously. I went with LPE because my price point was lower and I did not need or want new exhaust, mats, badging, etc. At the other end of cost you can leave it stock or DIY. I am pleased with my decision. That is the beauty, we have choices.
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Difference is... that Corvette is a Callaway Corvette. When its time to sell the Callaway Corvette will be worth more. You get most of your money back you spent on the mods.
You pay for the name. Sure the walmart pants may cost $5.00..... but people prefer the name brand pants and will pay more for them.
As for doing the mods yourself, sure you'll save a bundle, but don't expect to get much back for the $$ you invested... its still a normal corvette.
You pay for the name. Sure the walmart pants may cost $5.00..... but people prefer the name brand pants and will pay more for them.
As for doing the mods yourself, sure you'll save a bundle, but don't expect to get much back for the $$ you invested... its still a normal corvette.
Very well said.
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Yup. The supercharger system they install retails for $7450. Dealer cost on that is probably 6K. Say they charge $2 for the installation: maybe they take the remaining $12,000 and put it on a savings account for 3 years in case your stock engine pops so they can use $3K of that money to cover a new block under warranty?
Nothing against callaway: they do great work... But $21K for a maggie? Ouch
Nothing against callaway: they do great work... But $21K for a maggie? Ouch
You sure do love busting on Callaway.
A. Its not a stock Maggie setup.
B. How many builds do we see on this forum that don't drive like a stock car? I dare say the majority. Callaway spends a lot of time on R&D so when a customer gets a car, it acts like OEM.
C. Its better to be on the road than on the sidelines.
Have yet to hear of a Callaway motor giving up. Its an all fun, no drama car.
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Difference is... that Corvette is a Callaway Corvette. When its time to sell the Callaway Corvette will be worth more. You get most of your money back you spent on the mods.
Same goes with LPE Corvettes. I'd go the Callaway or LPE route, but I don't like the Magnacharger style superchargers. I prefer the Centri. S/C.
Your paying for the name, the quality work that comes with the name, and the warranty. Sure the walmart pants may cost $5.00..... but people prefer the name brand pants and will pay more for them.
As for doing the mods yourself, sure you'll save a bundle, but don't expect to get much back for the $$ you invested... its still a normal corvette.
Same goes with LPE Corvettes. I'd go the Callaway or LPE route, but I don't like the Magnacharger style superchargers. I prefer the Centri. S/C.
Your paying for the name, the quality work that comes with the name, and the warranty. Sure the walmart pants may cost $5.00..... but people prefer the name brand pants and will pay more for them.
As for doing the mods yourself, sure you'll save a bundle, but don't expect to get much back for the $$ you invested... its still a normal corvette.
It's great to have excellent alternatives which can keep costs down for people like me. Callaway and LPE do fantastic work but you also pay for it... as it should be! Mine will certainly not have a resale value like those others, but then again it didn't cost nearly as much. I can always remove my E-Force, put the car back to stock and recoup some of my costs. Not that hard to do really....
It's great there are lots of options and choices for vette lovers out there....
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"Magnuson Roots-style TVS2300 Supercharger, with black housing"
Not that there is anything wrong with that: Maggie kits are tried and proven. But if Callaway's setup is not a magnuson, why do they call it that?
Also, Lingenfelter offers the exact same setup, also utilizing a Magnuson TVS2300 kit. Theirs goes for $11K, also with a warranty. Here is the link: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...charger-base-i
Lingenfelter also offers the E-Force, this one for 9 grand, shorter warranty (1/12). Link here: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...300-supercharg .
The common theme is that these tuners are installing someone else's supercharger kit; no claim is made that this is their own kit. That makes sense because the development costs are being spent by Edelbrock or Magnuson; no need to re-invent the wheel.
BTW I don't "bust" on anyone. The OP asked a question, I answered it; that's what the forum is for, right?
I am not aware of any stock engine with a supercharger that doesn't drive like a stock car. That is the whole point of a supercharger; stock engine, stock cam = stock driveability. Now, we can talk about reliability; Callaway cars may very well be more reliable than your average, say, ECS or A&A car, or even a Maggie installed by a different vendor: This would not surprize me in the least seeing the 100+ RWHP power deficit.
Last edited by PowerLabs; Sep 24, 2010 at 07:27 PM.
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Is that true? Honest question. Because their brochure says:
"Magnuson Roots-style TVS2300 Supercharger, with black housing"
Not that there is anything wrong with that: Maggie kits are tried and proven. But if Callaway's setup is not a magnuson, why do they call it that?
Also, Lingenfelter offers the exact same setup, also utilizing a Magnuson TVS2300 kit. Theirs goes for $11K, also with a warranty. Here is the link: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...charger-base-i
Lingenfelter also offers the E-Force, this one for 9 grand, shorter warranty (1/12). Link here: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...300-supercharg .
The common theme is that these tuners are installing someone else's supercharger kit; no claim is made that this is their own kit. That makes sense because the development costs are being spent by Edelbrock or Magnuson; no need to re-invent the wheel.
BTW I don't "bust" on anyone. The OP asked a question, I answered it; that's what the forum is for, right?
I am not aware of any stock engine with a supercharger that doesn't drive like a stock car. That is the whole point of a supercharger; stock engine, stock cam = stock driveability. Now, we can talk about reliability; Callaway cars may very well be more reliable than your average, say, ECS or A&A car, or even a Maggie installed by a different vendor: This would not surprize me in the least seeing the 100+ RWHP power deficit.
"Magnuson Roots-style TVS2300 Supercharger, with black housing"
Not that there is anything wrong with that: Maggie kits are tried and proven. But if Callaway's setup is not a magnuson, why do they call it that?
Also, Lingenfelter offers the exact same setup, also utilizing a Magnuson TVS2300 kit. Theirs goes for $11K, also with a warranty. Here is the link: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...charger-base-i
Lingenfelter also offers the E-Force, this one for 9 grand, shorter warranty (1/12). Link here: http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...300-supercharg .
The common theme is that these tuners are installing someone else's supercharger kit; no claim is made that this is their own kit. That makes sense because the development costs are being spent by Edelbrock or Magnuson; no need to re-invent the wheel.
BTW I don't "bust" on anyone. The OP asked a question, I answered it; that's what the forum is for, right?
I am not aware of any stock engine with a supercharger that doesn't drive like a stock car. That is the whole point of a supercharger; stock engine, stock cam = stock driveability. Now, we can talk about reliability; Callaway cars may very well be more reliable than your average, say, ECS or A&A car, or even a Maggie installed by a different vendor: This would not surprize me in the least seeing the 100+ RWHP power deficit.
I agree Sam, the reason they are more reliable and drive more like OEM is because they are very conservatively tuned. The same setup tuned by many other tuners would usually net you over 100rwhp more than a Callaway set-up.
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Burning Brakes
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I dont think its a stretch at all, I have seen many cars in the upper 600rwhp range. I wont name tuners but im sure everyone knows who they are. And the Callaway numbers are rated at the crank, not the wheels. As far as the OEM driveability and how long the engine will stay together from other tuners is debateable but that was the whole point of the post. Much lower numbers = a much better OEM driving experience.
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Here's where I got it from:
I made 597RWHP/517RWTQ with a bolt-on A&A kit tuned for pump gas with headers and nothing else on a bone stock LS2. It lasted 30K miles. It cost me $5400 and I did the install myself, for free.
Now, don't get me wrong, I would never claim that my stock C6 is better than a Callaway car. Or as reliable. Or will re-sell for nearly the same value.
But on the same token, I don't think you get $15000 more car for your money, and if I spent $21K to hop up my Corvette, I'd want it to be stupidly fast; not to have fancy embroidery and 200 more HP than stock. Now, I said *I*. I understand and appreciate the fact that many people feel differently. Not everyone needs to fry tires in 3rd gear, and that's why we have so many options. Its all good
Callaway cars are great! It's all about what you can afford. For the record I didn't do the install myself but had a reputable shop (ECS) do all the work. My car drives completely like OEM with the E-Force unit which is exactly what I was hoping. No complaints what so ever with almost 500 rwhp, stock hood and very well engineered SC on it running 7 psi.
Now, don't get me wrong, I would never claim that my stock C6 is better than a Callaway car. Or as reliable. Or will re-sell for nearly the same value.
But on the same token, I don't think you get $15000 more car for your money, and if I spent $21K to hop up my Corvette, I'd want it to be stupidly fast; not to have fancy embroidery and 200 more HP than stock. Now, I said *I*. I understand and appreciate the fact that many people feel differently. Not everyone needs to fry tires in 3rd gear, and that's why we have so many options. Its all good
Last edited by PowerLabs; Sep 24, 2010 at 08:37 PM.
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Is that true? Honest question. Because their brochure says:
"Magnuson Roots-style TVS2300 Supercharger, with black housing"
Not that there is anything wrong with that: Maggie kits are tried and proven. But if Callaway's setup is not a magnuson, why do they call it that?
"Magnuson Roots-style TVS2300 Supercharger, with black housing"
Not that there is anything wrong with that: Maggie kits are tried and proven. But if Callaway's setup is not a magnuson, why do they call it that?
The "Maggie" is tried and true, what we do, is make it better - so much, the Founder of Maguson once told us, we deliver more power than anyone else (with the same housing) per psi Media reports the smoothness of our power and the way it is delivered. This is not our claim, but others in the know...
Originally Posted by PowerLabs
It cost me $5400 and I did the install myself, for free.
You may have begun at the $5,400 figure, but I am sure you are well past that...
FWIW, I have nearly 50,000 miles on our 2010 Grand Sport with our SC606 package. The car has proven itself on the road, as much as the track!