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Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by jimman
Interesting your only getting 9 ftlbs over stock with the LPE, they claim 20 over Halltech.
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Opps, 19.34 ftlbs sorry.
Interesting your only getting 9 ftlbs over stock with the LPE, they claim 20 over Halltech.
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Originally Posted by midnite902
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From: Bristol, Tennessee
St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by midnite902
1 = Stock
5 = Kooks, Corsa Sports, Haltech
7 = Kooks, Corsa Sports, LPE CAI
This dyno has some anomolies in that you claim no programming was done for the LPE pulls. I think you later said just the timing was dhanged, and explained that your computer from GM was special in that it flatlined the air fuel ratio to 13:1.
The 7,000 rpm shutoff, was explained later by 21st Cen. Muscle Car, but I'm still missing it. These must be the same Run Files, since the numbers match, but the air/fule ratios do not match, and neither do the rev limits comparing the two dynos.
If the Halltech vs. LPE pull was done without programming as claimed, then let's see you pulls once the programming was finished.
I have been asking for copies of these RunFiles for a month now.
My email is jim@CorvetteC5.com
LG Motorsports dynoed both the LPE and Halltech on the same day and same car, and found 1 RWHP and 1 Ft. lb. of torque between them. This comes close to our results as well. Andy of A&A will have his dynos posted soon.
No one is calling you out on this dyno, just still trying to figure it out. My offer to look at the Run Files still stands; after all, it is our product that you claim makes 20 less ft. lbs. of torque when compared to the LPE bottom feeder.
Jim Hall
Last edited by Halltech; Oct 21, 2005 at 08:04 AM.
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From: Katy Texas
MTI Heads & Cam
Base numbers w/Corsa Sport @85.9 degrees F
353.7 HP 354.3 lb/ft Torque
Heads & Cam Package
Stage 2 E Heads
G1 Cam 228/232 .588/.575 113 lsa
Kooks 1 7/8 long tube headers w/ X-pipe & high flow cats
Underdrive pulley
C6 Blackwing intake
LS2 Edit tune by Jason @MTI
443.3 HP 406.7 lb/ft Torque @ 98.3 degrees F
The torque curve shows 400+ lb/ft from 4000 rpm to almost 6000 rpm
This setup just wants to pull and pull hard.
Jeff
353.7 HP 354.3 lb/ft Torque
Heads & Cam Package
Stage 2 E Heads
G1 Cam 228/232 .588/.575 113 lsa
Kooks 1 7/8 long tube headers w/ X-pipe & high flow cats
Underdrive pulley
C6 Blackwing intake
LS2 Edit tune by Jason @MTI
443.3 HP 406.7 lb/ft Torque @ 98.3 degrees F
The torque curve shows 400+ lb/ft from 4000 rpm to almost 6000 rpm
This setup just wants to pull and pull hard.
Jeff
Burning Brakes
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From: Dallas Texas
The Facts - Or merely a spin?
Originally Posted by Jim Hall
This dyno has some anomolies in that you claim no programming was done for the LPE pulls. I think you later said just the timing was dhanged, and explained that your computer from GM was special in that it flatlined the air fuel ratio to 13:1.
Jim as you well know I stated in my original post no edit tune was done because in my ignorance as a customer I did not know timing adjustments were done via the LS2 Edit, and as the chart that highlights the AFR shows my factory AFR setting was unusual" Olddog and I discussed AFR and the claim the delaer made that my car was from a special run". I also stated in that discussion I did not beleive the dealer" http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/foru...&highlight=LPE
The 7,000 rpm shutoff, was explained later by 21st Cen. Muscle Car, but I'm still missing it. Maybe there are classes you could take on readin Dyno charts? They are confusing to me also. These must be the same Run Files, since the numbers match, but the air/fule ratios do not match, and neither do the rev limits comparing the two dynos. Jim again you know this statement just isn't true. you asked for another dyno chart and I posted another chart from the same runs exposing what you asked to see"
I have been asking for copies of these RunFiles for a month now.
Jim again, this is just not true. I have seen YOUR e-mail where you refused the offer and said "I believe you". Did I get my facts straight or should I post your e-mail?
No one is calling you out on this dyno, just still trying to figure it out. My offer to look at the Run Files still stands; See note above after all, it is our product that you claim makes 20 less ft. lbs. of torque when compared to the LPE bottom feeder.
Jim I am not claiming anything, I posted the results of my mod which have been backed up by several other installs
Jim Hall
Jim as you well know I stated in my original post no edit tune was done because in my ignorance as a customer I did not know timing adjustments were done via the LS2 Edit, and as the chart that highlights the AFR shows my factory AFR setting was unusual" Olddog and I discussed AFR and the claim the delaer made that my car was from a special run". I also stated in that discussion I did not beleive the dealer" http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/foru...&highlight=LPE
The 7,000 rpm shutoff, was explained later by 21st Cen. Muscle Car, but I'm still missing it. Maybe there are classes you could take on readin Dyno charts? They are confusing to me also.
These must be the same Run Files, since the numbers match, but the air/fule ratios do not match, and neither do the rev limits comparing the two dynos. Jim again you know this statement just isn't true. you asked for another dyno chart and I posted another chart from the same runs exposing what you asked to see"I have been asking for copies of these RunFiles for a month now.
Jim again, this is just not true. I have seen YOUR e-mail where you refused the offer and said "I believe you". Did I get my facts straight or should I post your e-mail?
No one is calling you out on this dyno, just still trying to figure it out. My offer to look at the Run Files still stands; See note above after all, it is our product that you claim makes 20 less ft. lbs. of torque when compared to the LPE bottom feeder.
Jim I am not claiming anything, I posted the results of my mod which have been backed up by several other installs
Jim Hall
My father told me "You can judge a man by the value he puts in his own word". I think it was sound advice. To quote a line from one of my favorite movies "You have been measured and found wanting"
However I do want to express my thanks, my Halltech tunnel did make an excellent drainspout extension whereby rain water is now directed away from my patio. I am sure no C6 intake would flow rainwater like your tunnel
Don't beleive me? I will post pics if you like?
Last edited by midnite902; Oct 21, 2005 at 10:08 AM. Reason: spelling
Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by midnite902
Maybe you should spend the time improving your product rather than trying to put up a smoke screen and discredit customers that have posted thier Dyno results?
My father told me "You can judge a man by the value he puts in his own word". I think it was sound advice. To quote a line from one of my favorite movies "You have been measured and found wanting"
However I do want to express my thanks, my Halltech tunnel did make an excellent drainspout extension whereby rain water is now directed away from my patio. I am sure no C6 intake would flow rainwater like your tunnel Don't beleive me? I will post pics if you like?
My father told me "You can judge a man by the value he puts in his own word". I think it was sound advice. To quote a line from one of my favorite movies "You have been measured and found wanting"
However I do want to express my thanks, my Halltech tunnel did make an excellent drainspout extension whereby rain water is now directed away from my patio. I am sure no C6 intake would flow rainwater like your tunnel
Don't beleive me? I will post pics if you like?Last edited by jimman; Oct 21, 2005 at 10:49 AM.
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From: Decatur IN
Well well, what do we have here? Jim Hall and Jimman singing the same song yet again?? when are you two going to get it through your heads that we do not put out fake dyno numbers??
The results of our C6 intake system have been posted over and over again by MEMBERS, not LPE or 21st Century.If you don't agree with it, that's your business, but you are both way out of line following every thread, and accusing LPE of posting fake numbers, and it needs to stop. We don't ever post anything negative about you or your products, we only say that ours is better.
Jim Hall, feel free to call me directly at 260-724-2552 ext 1002 if you would like to discuss this, I'll be waiting for your call.
Ed
The results of our C6 intake system have been posted over and over again by MEMBERS, not LPE or 21st Century.If you don't agree with it, that's your business, but you are both way out of line following every thread, and accusing LPE of posting fake numbers, and it needs to stop. We don't ever post anything negative about you or your products, we only say that ours is better.
Jim Hall, feel free to call me directly at 260-724-2552 ext 1002 if you would like to discuss this, I'll be waiting for your call.
Ed
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Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by Ed@Lingenfelter
Well well, what do we have here? Jim Hall and Jimman singing the same song yet again?? when are you two going to get it through your heads that we do not put out fake dyno numbers??
The results of our C6 intake system have been posted over and over again by MEMBERS, not LPE or 21st Century.If you don't agree with it, that's your business, but you are both way out of line following every thread, and accusing LPE of posting fake numbers, and it needs to stop. We don't ever post anything negative about you or your products, we only say that ours is better.
Jim Hall, feel free to call me directly at 260-724-2552 ext 1002 if you would like to discuss this, I'll be waiting for your call.
Ed
The results of our C6 intake system have been posted over and over again by MEMBERS, not LPE or 21st Century.If you don't agree with it, that's your business, but you are both way out of line following every thread, and accusing LPE of posting fake numbers, and it needs to stop. We don't ever post anything negative about you or your products, we only say that ours is better.
Jim Hall, feel free to call me directly at 260-724-2552 ext 1002 if you would like to discuss this, I'll be waiting for your call.
Ed
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From: Hagerstown MD
Originally Posted by jimman
I asked a question on the math do you have a problem with that. There have been no independent publications on 20 to 30 over stock but this one. If you want to raise the flag then do it but don't rag on me. So your saying that one can expect 20 to 30 ftlbs of torque over stock with your intake???
Drifting
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From: Decatur IN
Originally Posted by jimman
I asked a question on the math do you have a problem with that. There have been no independent publications on 20 to 30 over stock but this one. If you want to raise the flag then do it but don't rag on me. So your saying that one can expect 20 to 30 ftlbs of torque over stock with your intake???
Jim,
You can try to spin it any way you like. My point is that a lot of members have reported good gains, and for whatever reason you have chosen to single out this particular dyno run that was posted by a member,and claim it's false. It is not false, and I am getting a little sick of you saying it is.
Unless you have some kind of proof to backup what you say, you need to stop saying it. Period.
Le Mans Master
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From: Monroe Township New Jersey
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16
St. Jude donor in memory of jpee '14
Originally Posted by jschindler
Interesting thread. I guess I need to have my car dyno'd soon. Never did dyno the C6 coupe I had 
yea right, forget the dyno & just raise the ET bar another notch, good luck
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Originally Posted by ShockerRacing
Why don't both companies man up and put the two intakes to a showdown somewhere on the same dyno at the same times on the same cars. I think we need a challenge!
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Yeah, I saw that but I am saying both Halltech and LPE showing up with their products and both companies being there to test the products. Like an actual showdown....I realize this will never happen because if they did which ever company lost the showdown would lose an enormous amount of money because no one would buy their product. It just sounded like there was a little fued going on, and they should settle it together on an aggreed upon dyno. Its all about preference, price and appearance anyways.
Anyways, I am sure they are all good and way better than stock. I personally like the Breathless Performance one so I won't buy either of their intakes.
Anyways, I am sure they are all good and way better than stock. I personally like the Breathless Performance one so I won't buy either of their intakes.
Drifting
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From: Decatur IN
Originally Posted by ShockerRacing
Yeah, I saw that but I am saying both Halltech and LPE showing up with their products and both companies being there to test the products. Like an actual showdown....I realize this will never happen because if they did which ever company lost the showdown would lose an enormous amount of money because no one would buy their product. It just sounded like there was a little fued going on, and they should settle it together on an aggreed upon dyno. Its all about preference, price and appearance anyways.
Anyways, I am sure they are all good and way better than stock. I personally like the Breathless Performance one so I won't buy either of their intakes.
Anyways, I am sure they are all good and way better than stock. I personally like the Breathless Performance one so I won't buy either of their intakes.
The only feud that we have going on is because Jim feels the need to attack our customers, but when I question him directly, he stops posting. If he doesn't agree with the dyno graphs that customers post, that's his right , but he does not have the right to accuse us of any wrong doing.
I'm sure we are willing to participate, is Halltech?
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From: Bucks County PA
Tommy -
I am going to leave it in "D" and just jam the pedal and GO!
I will try doing what you said as for the Traction Control.
The 1st couple runs I will do Competition Driving Mode just to see how the track is, I don't want a little wiggle to turn in to a costly error on a slick track.
How did the supercharged auto run???
Howard
I am going to leave it in "D" and just jam the pedal and GO!
I will try doing what you said as for the Traction Control.
The 1st couple runs I will do Competition Driving Mode just to see how the track is, I don't want a little wiggle to turn in to a costly error on a slick track.
How did the supercharged auto run???
Howard