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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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Hi guys Can I put 87 octane in a c6 without any damage? I get free gas at my work. Will the c6 run with a hp drop? Will it do anything else?
It seems that the Cal. people add Torco to raise the octane. Is there any other product that will really raise the octane to workable rate?
I'm so confused HHHelp !!!
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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c6 can run on either regular or hi-test.hi-test recommended not required.Yes,it'll run less powerful,but it'll run.
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Supposedly a 10-15 peak HP drop going from 93 to 87 octane.
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Originally Posted by jesse12804
c6 can run on either regular or hi-test.hi-test recommended not required.Yes,it'll run less powerful,but it'll run.
EPA requires all cars sold in the USA be capable of running 87 octane. There will be people who will state emphatically you can't do it, EPA says otherwise. As stated above, a slight HP loss at peak, but you won't see a significant drop in MPG, especially on the highway. My daughter runs 87 octane in her C5 and gets ~25 MPG in combined city/highway driving. Before an autocross, she runs the tank down low and fills up with 93 octane for those last few HP. Beware of any additives for anything, if GM thought additives were necessary to enhancing the life of the car, they would have specified them. However, if it makes you "feel" better, spend away...the best that can happen is you waste money, the worst is wasting money and messing up your car.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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Hmm here's my thought. Do it and put an octane booster in or mix in a bit of the 100 octane stuff. Instead of running $40 a tank you'll end up running $10 at most? and keep most of your performance.
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I run 87 every other tank and I have had no problem's or pinging. I do not race the car so the few hp loss is not noticeable.
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Originally Posted by glass slipper
Before an autocross, she runs the tank down low and fills up with 93 octane for those last few HP.
I don't recall about the C5, but that probably wouldn't work with the C6, as the timing doesn't reset until the next tank or fillup.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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Hmm here's my thought. Do it and put an octane booster in or mix in a bit of the 100 octane stuff. Instead of running $40 a tank you'll end up running $10 at most? and keep most of your performance.
Look for high octane no-lead. With all the California performance boats here on weekends, we have 100 octane no-lead around town. I use 4 gallons 100 and 12 gallons 91 octane per fillup, yielding the 93 octane, the max that the car can benefit from. It's probably about $4/tank more expensive that way, but way easier than using additives, and much safer than storing your own fuel. Call your local fuel suppliers/distributors and they probably would know if anyone around your area has it. Make sure that it's not 'low-lead', as that will eventually poison your cats.
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Originally Posted by glass slipper
EPA requires all cars sold in the USA be capable of running 87 octane. There will be people who will state emphatically you can't do it, EPA says otherwise. As stated above, a slight HP loss at peak, but you won't see a significant drop in MPG, especially on the highway. My daughter runs 87 octane in her C5 and gets ~25 MPG in combined city/highway driving. Before an autocross, she runs the tank down low and fills up with 93 octane for those last few HP. Beware of any additives for anything, if GM thought additives were necessary to enhancing the life of the car, they would have specified them. However, if it makes you "feel" better, spend away...the best that can happen is you waste money, the worst is wasting money and messing up your car.
Thats interesting. My WRX STI said in the manual that 93 octane is highly recomended and if 93 is not availble you can go to 91 octane and nothing less. The car did ping every once and a while on 93 so I am sure 87 would have been a bad thing. Keep in mind this thing was making 120 hp per liter. Where would I find this info on the EPA requiring a car to run on 87 octane?
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I saw a video somewhere that was an interview with Dave Hill and they asked him about running 87 octane and he said that you could run 87 octane but why not get your full performance out of your Corvette? If I am not mistaken a vette has an 18 gallon tank. $.20 difference in price from 87-93 octane fuel. 18x.20= $3.60 more per fill up seems worth the extra few dollars to me.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 04:59 PM
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I run 89 octane routinely. Did a baseline dyno pull and put 340 hp on the pavement. Runs well on middle grade.
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I saw a video somewhere that was an interview with Dave Hill and they asked him about running 87 octane and he said that you could run 87 octane but why not get your full performance out of your Corvette? If I am not mistaken a vette has an 18 gallon tank. $.20 difference in price from 87-93 octane fuel. 18x.20= $3.60 more per fill up seems worth the extra few dollars to me.
The problem is more about finding 93 octane gas. It seem to vary in popularity around the country, and I can't find it here. Most all premium here is 91.
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Originally Posted by radstoy
I run 89 octane routinely. Did a baseline dyno pull and put 340 hp on the pavement. Runs well on middle grade.
Someone had some data back when that showed a 10-15 HP loss when going from 93 to 87 octane.
But, there might be that much difference in HP naturally between individual cars.
There also will be variations in measurements between individual dynos, and daily variations of temp and humidity, that could easily bury the octane HP delta.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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87 burns hotter than 91/91, but it's also more prone to detonation issues in high compression engines. 87 should get better HP numbers, and 91/92 should get better mileage.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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Around here, 93 octane is 55 cents per gallon more than 87.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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All OBDII GM V8's have a knock sensor (or two) and will retard timing well before any harm is done to the motor. There are even high and low octane timing maps in the ecu to compensate for whatever fuel you put in your car. So yes, you can run 87 octane but there will be less power output.
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I've ran maybe two tanks of 87 in my LS1 since new. Right off the showroom floor it was filled with 87 I was told and it pinged too much for my liking on the 300 mile trip home. Now with my 10.7-1 heads the 87 I accidentally put in the tank made the engine sound like marbles in a can at all throttle speeds. Hence 93 for me. Prices be damned!
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Thanx guys. It seems as if I get free gas of 87-89 octane, I can add some high test & bring it up or leave it alone to see what happens. The responses were helpful. Does the c6 manual state any required # or just a premium gas? I am going to order a c6 the last day of the year. People tell me that it is the best time to work a deal. OZ
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In the owner's manual it clearly states that 87 is Ok but 91-93 is recomended. I owned a couple of Benzes and it clearly says "premium unleaded only". At one point I put 87 and the car pinged like crazy. So never again. About EPA stating that all cars should be able to run 87... hmm..... I dont think so. Those guys need an update.
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If it says ok to lower fuel then will the pinning damage the engin?
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