B&B Headers.
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Meh.. you guys are all clearly brainwashed. The gains posted are just from bolting on the headers and dont account for optimizing your entire setup. $1800 vs $950 isnt the same price, for the difference I could buy new l96 heads. Trying maxing out the tune stock, and then adding headers to see the real gains associated with adding them.. unfortunately no one has done so, so we have no real clue what any of the headers really add.
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Meh.. you guys are all clearly brainwashed. The gains posted are just from bolting on the headers and dont account for optimizing your entire setup. $1800 vs $950 isnt the same price, for the difference I could buy new l96 heads. Trying maxing out the tune stock, and then adding headers to see the real gains associated with adding them.. unfortunately no one has done so, so we have no real clue what any of the headers really add.
I commend you for your exploratory spirit to try something new. It is in this way, and through efforts such as the one you are making, that we truly learn if a certain modification is worthless or if there is actually something to it.
Though your headers are like no design I have ever seen in the offerings from other manufacturers who have been involved in racing of all types for decades, I await your results.
Good luck, but as far as what we do and don't already know about headers, it might be a good idea to give these two articles a read. The principles of header design, and what the effects of these designs are, are discussed in these articles.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/header_basics/
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...d_header_tech/
Good luck
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great articles.. so its basically mentioned that a shortened collector impacts the tq under the curve or low speed tq but has no effect on high rpm operation or revs above peak tq (I plan to autox the car). I knew I was giving up something with this setup, but the compromises in some areas will pay off in others hopefully(sound!)
Well, good luck with your experiment.
I commend you for your exploratory spirit to try something new. It is in this way, and through efforts such as the one you are making, that we truly learn if a certain modification is worthless or if there is actually something to it.
Though your headers are like no design I have ever seen in the offerings from other manufacturers who have been involved in racing of all types for decades, I await your results.
Good luck, but as far as what we do and don't already know about headers, it might be a good idea to give these two articles a read. The principles of header design, and what the effects of these designs are, are discussed in these articles.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/header_basics/
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...d_header_tech/
Good luck
I commend you for your exploratory spirit to try something new. It is in this way, and through efforts such as the one you are making, that we truly learn if a certain modification is worthless or if there is actually something to it.
Though your headers are like no design I have ever seen in the offerings from other manufacturers who have been involved in racing of all types for decades, I await your results.
Good luck, but as far as what we do and don't already know about headers, it might be a good idea to give these two articles a read. The principles of header design, and what the effects of these designs are, are discussed in these articles.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/header_basics/
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...d_header_tech/
Good luck
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Meh.. you guys are all clearly brainwashed. The gains posted are just from bolting on the headers and dont account for optimizing your entire setup. $1800 vs $950 isnt the same price, for the difference I could buy new l96 heads. Trying maxing out the tune stock, and then adding headers to see the real gains associated with adding them.. unfortunately no one has done so, so we have no real clue what any of the headers really add.
Dyno before and after adding LG Pro long tubes without a tune: gained 26 rwhp and 39 rwtq. My A/F's before and after were right around 12.8 to 13.2 so I didn't need a tune before or after. I believe the LG Pro's are the best header for our car, but you do pay for them. You have $950 invested in the B&B's. If you add 2 high flow cats and get them welded in, you'll be around $1250. You'll still have 2.5" mid section pipes and an H pipe. You save $550. However, you only save $200 over the American Racing headers with cats. If I had wanted to save money I'd definitely gone with the AMR's, they are a great deal.
I still think you'll want the Cats sooner or later. Most of the F-body guys run high flow cats with their headers because they say without them they sound like garbage trucks, way too much rasp.
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B&B does manufacture an x-pipe mid section with high flow cats. The list price, however, is $643.00 
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http://www.bbexhaust.com/car/corvette/c6/
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Dyno before and after adding LG Pro long tubes without a tune: gained 26 rwhp and 39 rwtq. My A/F's before and after were right around 12.8 to 13.2 so I didn't need a tune before or after. I believe the LG Pro's are the best header for our car, but you do pay for them. You have $950 invested in the B&B's. If you add 2 high flow cats and get them welded in, you'll be around $1250. You'll still have 2.5" mid section pipes and an H pipe. You save $550. However, you only save $200 over the American Racing headers with cats. If I had wanted to save money I'd definitely gone with the AMR's, they are a great deal.
I still think you'll want the Cats sooner or later. Most of the F-body guys run high flow cats with their headers because they say without them they sound like garbage trucks, way too much rasp.
I still think you'll want the Cats sooner or later. Most of the F-body guys run high flow cats with their headers because they say without them they sound like garbage trucks, way too much rasp.
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Actually, I like the sound of my LG's with the stock catback.
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These B&B headers,plus LPE intake and lsportworks manifold, tune (Total $1900) will be producing more whp then the $1900 LGs. Same money spent.. discuss. Providing your only willing to spend $3000 on mods for your corvette, Im attempting to create a much better mod plan then that typically being followed.. Seeing all these sub 380whp cars with headers is making me ill.
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These B&B headers,plus LPE intake and lsportworks manifold, tune (Total $1900) will be producing more whp then the $1900 LGs. Same money spent.. discuss. Providing your only willing to spend $3000 on mods for your corvette, Im attempting to create a much better mod plan then that typically being followed.. Seeing all these sub 380whp cars with headers is making me ill.
I am hoping that B&B were wrong and you pick up a lot more power than what they posted on their website. With the ported LS2 intake and the inlet, a tune, and a good set of headers should be worth about 40 rwhp.
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Are you doing a before and after dyno to prove your point? I wouldn't be too sure that you'll pick up over 30 rwhp. If you are sick seeing all the sub 380 rwhp cars with headers, then you shouldn't have gotten headers where even the manufacturer admits they only pick up 22 rwhp. The Kooks, LG's, and AMR's have all shown 25 to 30 rwhp. You are going to make up for the power loss by buying a better inlet and intake.
I am hoping that B&B were wrong and you pick up a lot more power than what they posted on their website. With the ported LS2 intake and the inlet, a tune, and a good set of headers should be worth about 40 rwhp.
I am hoping that B&B were wrong and you pick up a lot more power than what they posted on their website. With the ported LS2 intake and the inlet, a tune, and a good set of headers should be worth about 40 rwhp.
Without before and after results, who can know what you picked up.
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Are you doing a before and after dyno to prove your point? I wouldn't be too sure that you'll pick up over 30 rwhp. If you are sick seeing all the sub 380 rwhp cars with headers, then you shouldn't have gotten headers where even the manufacturer admits they only pick up 22 rwhp. The Kooks, LG's, and AMR's have all shown 25 to 30 rwhp. You are going to make up for the power loss by buying a better inlet and intake.
I am hoping that B&B were wrong and you pick up a lot more power than what they posted on their website. With the ported LS2 intake and the inlet, a tune, and a good set of headers should be worth about 40 rwhp.
I am hoping that B&B were wrong and you pick up a lot more power than what they posted on their website. With the ported LS2 intake and the inlet, a tune, and a good set of headers should be worth about 40 rwhp.
Taking your car to a quality tuner will do more for it then buying the most expensive headers.
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I do all the installs myself.. not going to go through that. It will be pretty obvious basing it off the many other c6 z51 base dynos taken from the recent synergy dyno day... there is more then enough of a base sample... which is apx. 350whp to start. The bullets also gain a claimed 15whp over stock yet people arent intrested in running them with headers. 15+22 is 36whp?
Taking your car to a quality tuner will do more for it then buying the most expensive headers.
Taking your car to a quality tuner will do more for it then buying the most expensive headers.
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As far as corvettes go, we dont have alot of watchdogs out there who area really analysing what the tuners are doing to our cars. If you want power... A 100 octane tune is a good investment.
Mail order tunes are a good deal.. but its a canned product based on the same sort of parameters factory tunes are . Your not going to see substantial gains based on your exact engine parameters unless your on the dyno getting your exact car tuned to perfection. The very fact that it can be called a tune is misleading.. you cant tune a piano over the phone. A mail order ecu flash is a better name.
Mail order tunes are a good deal.. but its a canned product based on the same sort of parameters factory tunes are . Your not going to see substantial gains based on your exact engine parameters unless your on the dyno getting your exact car tuned to perfection. The very fact that it can be called a tune is misleading.. you cant tune a piano over the phone. A mail order ecu flash is a better name.
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I want the sound clip to see if the "PRT" gets rid of the lame "BLAAA-BLAAA-BLAAA-BLAAA-BLAAA-BLAAA" Sound at idle.
I want the pics of the inside of the PRT to see if it's basically a muffler, or what, and to see if it's crossed over.
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I want the pics of the inside of the PRT to see if it's basically a muffler, or what, and to see if it's crossed over.
-Tom
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I havent looked to confirm yet but I believe the PRT is an H pipe. I wont even go into the H pipe vs. X pipe debate... powerwise.. seems like an H pipe has a slight edge but is much louder with more drone.