I AM quite surprised that more vette owners have not tried the LUCAS
product. The only real feedback i got was from C6 DVL. Im even more surprised the many auto stores that have it ??

 

I started to mix this with my tank the first day at the track. It did what it was suppose to do.

The 2nd day at the track I would be using race fuel at 7+ dollars per gallon.

 

I'd Like a Case to Try. My EMail is vcowan@aol.com give me a line with price and shipping info.I'm going to the track this next friday (26th) hope i can get it by then. I have both CC and Paypal

 

I'll be at the track myself, and bring you the case!!!

 

Joel,
Just ordered another case of the good stuff...let me when you'd think I'd receive it.

 

I was saving this last case for myself for a backup, but I'll ship it to you on Monday, you'll see it in a day or two! I was about to put in another order from Torco anyway...
Thanks again

 

My experience with the lucas additive was not good along with others
reporting in this post.A popular theory bantered about is that Octane additives actually reduce HP since they slow the rate of combustion.
That is to suggest that 100 octane will burn slower than 93 octane and
possibly produce less HP. On the other hand would it be fair to conclude that 89 octane will burn faster than 93 octane and thus produce more HP at a much cheeper cost. Perhaps take off a little timing to reduce ping / KR ????????

 

The popular theory that higher octane fuel slows the rate of combustion is actually popular BS. Octane is a measure of a fuel's resistance to self-ignite/detonate and that is it. Octane has nothing to do with the burn rate or energy content of fuel, absolutely nothing.

This thread has a lot of good links if you have the time to read all of them:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1606670

For the short version, one link from the thread above:
http://blizzard.rwic.und.edu/~nordli.../gasoline.html
Paragraph 6.3 is related to octane and flame speed. The last sentence is: "Flame speed does not correlate with octane."

You decide for yourself.

 

If you DON'T need octane booster/higher octane/Torco... its ok with us. Buy what you think you need and run it. If the motor goes BOOM then maybe you needed something more. No need to listen to those who have already gone through it years ago. We were just trying to steer you in the right direction with a product we have been using for years that works.


Best of luck to you whatever you do.

 

You bought an off the shelf octane booster that did not help you because you either did not have any KR, the car was not tuned for or in need of higher octane, or the product you used did not work that well.

If you use a lower octane then the car needs, the computer will pull timing to save the motor. This will lower your HP. If you use higher octane then the car needs, it won't help you. If you retune the car (in most every case) with higher octane in the vehicle, it will make more power.

Cinderella, oops, (I know he just uses the name glass slipper to weed out people like me), and others will come on the net and try, as he has over the last year or two to say a product he has never tried, could not do what it has been doing, for myself and thousands of others for over 5 years...

 

116 Octane With Water Methanol Injection

http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html

 

I see it's time for you to go to your therapist again...having those fantasies about fairies again. Seriously though, find one post where I said Torco doesn't raise octane or doesn't work for people. You'll be looking for a long time...but it should be easy since there is only one thread where I ever discussed Torco and I actually said the opposite. By misquoting me and embellishing, you make it sound like I've been on a campaign to discredit Torco when the truth is exactly the opposite.

I agree completely with this post from Charlie and in fact is exactly what I've said in previous posts...that Torco will raise octane 2-3 numbers (or 20-30 points). The only thing I've ever disagreed with is that one can of Torco will raise 93 octane fuel to 104 octane...and from the above post, your own tuner says the same thing. By evidence of your name calling, I guess you're still stinging from the thread we had a couple of years ago when the "facts" were revealed. I said then it is rare to find an octane booster that actually works a significant amount and 2-3 numbers is a usable/significant amount as far as I'm concerned. But it does not raise octane 11 numbers (or 110 points). The guy above asked a simple question about octane and burn rate and I gave him some links...no where in that post did I say anything negative about Torco or even reference it so I don't understand the personal attack. I also agree with Charlie when he said he views octane as a "knock suppressant". I don't agree that octane slows flame speed...that's the opposite of what you want when trying to avoid knock. The longer it takes for the mixture to burn, the longer the end gases are exposed to pre-flame reactions (increases the chance of auto-ignition) and the more likely knock is to occur. People forget the fuel mixture burning is really a chemical reaction affected by many complicated factors/different compounds and we really don't understand how some work, we just know they affect the pre-flame reactions to increase the fuels resistance to self-ignition/detonation.

And I agree completely with the above. How about we move on from two years ago??? I already have, there have been plenty of opportunities/threads for me to bash Torco if that was really my motivation but it isn't and I haven't. We got the truth about Torco in the first thread (raises octane 2-3 numbers and works where needed, does not raise octane 11 numbers) and that's good enough for me.

 

I must have missunderstood all along about the effect of octane additives. If i have it right one qt of torco added to 10 gal of 93
octane will add 30 points or 3 octane numbers thus raising the
octane level of the 10 gal of 93 octane to 96. Thats still pretty
good. I read the links posted by GLASS SLIPPER very informative
and about as technical as one may want to get. To get additional
power many things must be considered other than just adding octane additive but HP can be gained with the right combo

 

Hiya Glass,

I'm always up for no controversy! Life really has too much at times, so I'll gladly meet you have way!!

The one clarification I will hold onto is: While Torco does make certain claims on the can which are higher then the octane tests that I had done, 3 octane per 10 gallons is just a bit shy of what I've found it to be.

I mixed 10 gallon of 91 with one quart of Torco, and sent a sampling of this mixture to Core labs in Carson. The resulting Research plus Motor divided by two was 96.5. This is a 5.5 octane points per ten gallon raise.


Here is the lab sheet:


I'll certainly agree to disagree with you on the exact amount that Torco raises octane.

JB

 

No problems here...enjoy the great canyon runs with your "toys".

 

I run a torco tune in my GP and yes it does raise the octane level as advertised. Been racing on it for over 3 years. After seeing Jblown's numbers I may do a torco tune on my vette.

Is this really being argued, I thought it was a product that MANY knowledgable racers use? If it was bunk I wouldnt use it.

How many data reports showing it raises octane as advertised do people need to see?

 

After all the threads ive seen here it appears that TORCO is
a viable product that can increase performance. I have a problem
with those many products out there with claims that are very
misleading. Like c6 dvl who put 3 bottles of LUCAS in her tank and found it to be total crap. We need more auto owners to post here and everywhere to expose their phony or misleading claims. Some of that
stuff should never make it to the shelf.

 

Look up a company by the name of KLOTZ they make some good products
I uses a product years ago called Nitro i think added it in my bronco there was a noticeable power increase. look them up stuff is killer. they also make a additive thats a 50/50 mix.
They guys who work at the company buy the stuff by drum for thier own use. KLOTZ

 

Try Klotz

 

Hearing pretty good stuff on torco. Would like to hear some
experiences from those who used Octanium , Nitro
or other product on their LSx CORVETTES

Thanks for all , LSCHLEM