Ok, fair enough.



Good point and I agree.



Now about that...we still haven't seen a time slip. The track was opened/operated by a friend just for these particular passes (this of course conveniently leaves no witnesses to neither prove nor deny that these passes even took place), some of the beams were conveniently disabled yet the sixty foot, 1/4 mile and trap speed beams were working fine and the car hit a trap speed so high (for the conditions) that it dictates this 2.56 geared automatic car will likely hit 118 or 119mph in stock trim in strong negative DA air (is that even physically possible?).
Another LS3 A6 (Larry) runs at 'lower altitude' Houston Raceway Park (one of the quickest tracks in the nation, albeit it was a few degrees warmer) WITH 2.73 gears and he runs a more realistic 12.56@112.98 on a better sixty foot (1.96).
Now, is this sour grapes? Am I trying to refute Atomic-Punk's track times?
Actually I'm not, I do believe the passes took place and I do believe the numbers were run, just pointing out how a true skeptic might view all of these facts.

 

I have not seen where "Larry" ran at HRP. I live 20 minutes from HRP. If he just ran there, let me assure you the conditions were horrible. It doesn't even cool down at night here, and we are in a heat wave (even by Houston standards). It's likely that even at 10:00 at night the temperature would have been 90 degrees, and humidity 50% or above.

As always, you make good points, though.

 

It probably won't take a year for that to happen. And if it does, it will only be because there may not be 6 hard core drag racing LS3 owners.

But I do believe that the LS3 Vettes, particularly the automatics are going to claim the top three spots on that list, probably before year's end.

With people running in Jersey and Houston this fall, it would not surprise me to see that happen quickly.

Also, don't forget that a pro or two, (Evan Smith, GMHTP) is liable to get their hands on one of them too. While these are not "forum members" I do believe that they might be eligible for inclusion in that list since the C5 Z06 list includes the results from GMHTP.

In the hands of one of those two, Smith or GMHTP, in the fall, 11s are just about a given.

 

True, I can only imagine that the conditions in Houston were pretty bad. Larry (this was posted over on LS1 Tech) claimed that it was roughly 87/88 degrees when he made his best pass versus the 83 degrees that Atomic made his in Laredo that is what, roughly 350-400 feet physically closer to the clouds? But I'm not going to harp on DA, minute sixty foot differences and a mere tenth variation between these two cars for there are just too many other variables (fuel levels, driver weights, burnout, wind conditions etc.) to claim one is fibbing or that one went too quick/too fast over the other...bottom line is: the cars are fast.




I agree that if Evan Smith or even Corvette Fever magazine runs a record worthy time in one of these cars that it should be included on one of our lists as well. It helps those looking at the list understand what the cars are capable of and what it might take to make it happen in their own car.

 

I've communicated with Larry now. DA was 2286, and it was hot enough that his car was pulling timing. I agree - no need to harp on the details. We are really micro-analyzing this, and I don't want to risk either over analyzing, or offending the guys who have gone out in some horrible conditions to run their cars.

 

The numbers are what they are and we ALL know they will only get quicker/faster as the air turns cooler and the miles pile on in the next 6 months.

 

The first two LS3 runs in HORRIBLE conditions are a 12.4 and a 12.5, both near the top of the stock C6 lists.

Had this been 40-50 degree temps they would be at or very close to the top, 30-40 degree temps and

Truly impressive.

Howard

 

Some of this stuff being transpired regarding the LS3 is a little funny. Why does everything at the track has to be perfect in order for this car to run high 11's? The question should be, would it be able to run high 11's in normal conditions? The C6 Z06 in stock form can do it. That's what we are looking for. Of couse the LS3 is capable of running high 11's, especially with its trap speed. There are two LS3 autos, one ran 12.4, and the other 12.5 but with a lower trap speed. I believe one of the LS3's started off with a 12.8 and improved to 12.4 under horrible condition I guess. So under perfect condition, a driver with 1/4 skills, better 60' time, the LS3 would accomplish high 11's? What were the conditions when the guys on the 1/4 mile list run on their particular day? I can not recall neither of them complain about conditions, etc. There were no questions about what if.In order to prove a point, the LS2 and LS3 in stock form need to be on the track at the same time, when the conditions are identical. Time will tell, just not enough LS3's out there right now.

I love drag racing. The only reason I haven't been to the track is that I have the tendency to break stuff. And, right now it's just too hot for me in South Florida to be standing in line for periods of time. But, I am eager to see what my car would run through the 1/4. Not too concerned about my ET. The trap speed would indicate the car's power and what it's capable of doing as far as ET. In conclusion, I am not expecting fantastic numbers like 12.4 and 12.5 on the first time out, regardless of my present mod; headers, CAI, ported intake/tb and tune. Just something to say. Thanks

 

Well SAID !!!!

 

time will tell an LS3 will not see 11s in stock trim. we have had3 years of LS2s couldnt do it and only a small percent even close. and that was still 2/10s off it takes a lot more to go 2/10s at that time than it does at 13.s

 

First of a 3 part article, documenting much of what we've all learned here on the Corvette Forum. Great article, and nice to read the nice words about one of "our own" here from the forum. Hats off to you Ranger, thanks for all your help over the years.

I also posted a thanks in the Drag Race section where it belongs:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1561483507

 

Thanks, Joe_G.

Corvette Fever must mail from somewhere in FL; their HQ is vic Tampa. You're a few days early in receiving the October issue, due on news stands around Aug 23.

The editors approached me late last year with the idea of writing about driving techniques, an under-reported topic in the automotive press. I was happy to help, as I try to do here.

Ranger

 

Great Job, Ranger!

 

Good work, Ranger...

BTW, did those 08 C6 time slips get posted or are they just the ets and mphs with no scans? In that case, I just ran a 10 flat @ 160mph...

 

Man that thing really pulls up top 160 MPH

 

Hey Jim

I guess I'll add the LS3s to the list until an entire page is full. Then I'll ask our members for suggestions. But it looks as if the LS3s will take the top spots of stock list.

 

Thanks for reminding me.
But hey, the LS2's reign ain't over just yet.

 

Hey Marc,

It is not so bad as more power does not always transulate to quicker times

In my racing days (when all my parts actually worked well together) there was many a time when I had the car with less horsepower and won.

So it ain't over till its over or at least until Jim gets to the track or maybe I have to turn St. Anthony upside down so that it is unseasonably hot in Texas this fall

So let the fun and games begin, Good Luck to all

 

I went last night and it was still 85 degrees outside but I installed a vararam and a flowmaster axle back since running it bone stock but still with the run flats.

1st run was 12.56 @ 113.97 w/2.04 60'

2nd run was 12.43 @ 114.33 w/2.02 60'

3rd run was 12.44 @ 114.34 w/1.96'

 

good times