Believe me, Dave will still like you if you finally buy a set of headers and say to Dave that you like the low end TQ on the street with the LG's. Most people and I mean 95% of them get 20rwtq from them over Kooks. Dave didnt hang up wth me when I told him the results I got. He looked for a reason it was there. We came up with a few ideas but it shouldnt bother you when someone doesnt buld a car for the 1/4. Personally if I did lose something on the ET, I wouldnt be pissed with the massive gains it made on the street. I got +34rwtq.
I will be at Cartek in a week or so......they are my tuner. Come down and hang out for lunch. By the way, I daytrade too.[/QUOTE]

Oh mightty one
You still denie the Many many graft's here showing
Kook's 1 3/4 vs Lg's and they are close with the LG's short on the peak.
You think a result means it the same way on every car
So people get more or less out of certian mods. The cars are each a little different. By the Way the Finger you have is the worst and dumbest Avator
on here. My base dyno was 378hp 372tq and after was 428,hp and 429hp. Same Dyno different day but same condition's and corrected.
Lg's aren't doing better for me. You like your LG's fine I do too.
But Quit going on for hours and Knocking the Kook's Cause it just ANT"NT SO. Lg' Compares then to 1 7/8's but never 1 3/4 to 1 3/4.
plus CARTEC recommended KOOK's over Lg's to me on the phone.

 

Sorry for the off topic answer to this but I have seen:

AFR 205's at 465rwhp with a 224/230 XER 114+2 and 11:1 comrpession

PatrickG did 508 447 with them and a secret 234-238 cam.

LG: G5X3 cam and 205's at 495rwhp.

Look into Tony Mamo's new 4" bore version of the head where he opens up the combustion chamber to unshroud the valves.

 

You should be a lawyer. You must have an ENTP personality like me.

 

That is the key right there, many of these mods/choices absolutely ARE application specific.
And that could be among some people's issue with the LGs, there very well could be a case where one truly needs to use a header with 1 7/8" primaries or even say, a 2" one (maybe a stroker or forced induction/big nitrous shot type set up). I just can't see how these 1 3/4" super long primaries are going to work with something like that...there is no 'one size fits all' answer here.

 

 

Don't stay away to long from this thread because you will miss allot!

 

Great thread, I just bought coated LG's Kooks.

 

thats my advantage your driving you said it not me seriously everything you have the way your car sits the problem is getting it to the ground and threw your clutch. when i leave the line that quick on a .005 light i will be so far out you will be so angsus you will smoke the tires, miss second then get it hit the rev limiter and i will be at the finish lineplus if i put the ccw drag pack take the seats out do two more of your ideas i could be at 10.7s then with the nitrous 9s for sure

 

Yes, I said it to stop the next thing that would be said if I claimed to be a good driver. Dennis, your car is not faster than mine.

While I admit I'm not the best driver you arent exactly showing any 6 speed skill here either. While I credit your car for being very quick for what it is, dont get ahead of yourself. Its an auto. You are getting a bit carried away.

The cold northeast weather has you at quite an advatage over the rest of the country. Lots of guys would do much better if they were in this part of the country. So if you were in Florida with a manual would you be at the top of the list?

One last point about application, if you want to race me, its a road race and you let me know when. Make sure you bring that drag pack.

I think this thread is way off topic. Stay safe.

 

Do you have any clue about Spin's history on this forum? This guy goes out of his way to help anyone that asks and never asks for a dime in return. He goes out of his way for perfect strangers to help them get their car running correctly, and is very well respected on this forum. If you notice he also is pretty analytical in how he does things and doesn't jump to conclusions like a lot of other people here do. I've also seen him apologize and admit when he has been wrong in the past. Spins discussions are usually spirited and entertaining, but he doesn't get into the personal attacks that I've seen you do a number of times. I realize you might think you know everything there is to know about these cars, but maybe, just maybe consider that you might be able to learn something from someone with a "bit" more experience than you. The arrogance is just plain rude. Open your mind a bit and learn something, instead of having to prove that you are right and those Kooks are the best thing since sliced bread.


p.s. If you don't have traction issues with your car on EMT's as you noted , you might want to have the tune checked out. My car "stock" had traction issues on EMT's, as does every other C6 out there.

Hawaiian Flame Suit On

 

do you want me to drive your car for you i am also very very good with a stick i am a driver not just an automatic driver. i learned in the dirt then the asphalt then the mud. the track then the street, big difference between track and street you can have a great 9 second car get beat badly by an 11 second car on the street. and when the new track opens in millville this year i will take you up on the road course challenge. that's where im best, but to keep on topic the kooks work on my car in all those venues

 

I would love to really try a road course track. What is the track location in miles from the verrazanno?

And yes you can drive my car. Dont blow up cartek's rear diff on me though. Get out of wheel hop dude

 

Miss a day (of this thread), miss allot!

 

Sorry didnt mean to change anything from "well tuned" to "strong tuned", which to me mean the same thing. Why would you tune a car if not to make it stronger? Are you tuning it to get an extra 2 mpg, or for power? Are you tuning it for better overal performance/power, or a 1/4 time (verified 1/4 time).

Ok, I give up; you know how to tune much better than Cartek, Cow, RPM, and Spinmonster (as you've noted), I'm glad you have dialed it in so that you have perfect traction even at -5 degrees . After all these guys have no idea what they are doing, and lose of traction is no indication of torq or power whatsoever. With all of the tuned A6's that you have witnessed with perfect traction (because they have a lot of tire tread , and all season tires) you have proven to be the god of tuning, a veritbal expert amongst amateurs. After all, anyone that can turn off their DRL's and mod a paddle shifter is in fact an awesome tuner, especially since your tunes won't allow you to break loose an all season tire.... You should consider opening a tune shop and charging a fortune for those amazing tunes, I'm sure the world will be beating down your door to get a tune on their car that won't allow them to even chirp an all season tire, unless its on a pothole filled road. Oh thats right, you help people out all the time without taking a dime..... Look out world here comes supatuna...

 

A little research goes a long way. One of the issues I have as a personal problem is that I tend to do a swap on my car and think that just because I got some data that it will be consistent with all other installs. The fact is that there are a 1000 reasons why one header would work better in one install and not on another.

In my case the difference was so rediculous that I cant see why it wouldnt be universal but I cant see hurting someone's business over the small amount of data I have. I like the differences I have but it could be the heads, it could be the cam. I dont know. I have seen similar cases like mine where the increase in TQ was met with nearly no loss at the top. The only times I didnt see that same difference was where no tuning was performed. I have been present for some tuner tweaks and nearly fall over when they do 2 or 3 dyno puls and say the timing curve is about maxed out because they got soem KR at peak and pulled back there and didnt look at the rest of the curve.

If you use HPtuners and have a LS3 and LS2 file for the optimized tune for your 1 3/4 headers with a moderate cam. Please e-mail it to me so I can see if there is a pattern for places where there is such an efficiency in parts of the power band where the headers wont run timing. It has been my finding that running more timing ususally notes and inefficiency at that rpm. Are there any running production differences lately for your headers?

I think there is a difference between being positive on a product and being negative about another. I can post findings one way without getting into bashing. If I do a swap of cams are people looking at the peak power I got over the prior one or from a stock baseline. I think in all fairness, I can exclude the comparison somewhat and stick to what I see as strenghtsin a product without trying to state a weakness exists in another. All posts to this effect are being removed from this thread and all future threads. If I find a fundamental difference ina product it wont name the older part.

 

i dont know but heres a link it looks real nice
http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/

 

Maybe you should tune my C6. When my C6 was stock it would break the tires lose, and from a 30mph roll it would chirp the tires and do a small fishtail.

Now that i have added a Vararam, AR headers and tune, my a6 is insane from a roll, with T/C off if i nail it from a 30mph roll the car will go 90 degrees sideways in a heartbeat! Now i just leave T/C on and dont get on it in traffic.

 

Damn that's awesome Dennis. I'm definately going to have to check this place out and see how bad of a driver I really am. Maybe I'll take one of their courses

 

Sorry to hear that. I recently added Kooks headers, Xcelerator CAI and self-tune myself and my A6 is insanely fast from a dead stop or a roll with no traction problems at all and with T/C OFF. My estimate right now is about a 12.1 from my previous stock 12.54. With DR's I am looking at sub 12 seconds. Was it a "Pro" paid tune? I cant see going with those monster tunes if the car is no longer tractable on the track or street....unless you see going sideways as good times and fun. I know another guy on the CF who got a "monster" tune and is going sideways as well. He wanted to add some Nitto's in hopes of gaining some traction.

 

A monster tune?

Can we try to make things a little more friendly?

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