Well said, I think we all do need to try and avoid any kind of negative talk against any shop/tuner. 
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Yes I saw what you wrote and I commented that there were C6s out there with TF heads. I stated it so that if you wanted to see one before going down that route you could ask around and find one relatively close to you. It was not meant to put you in defensive mood. Sorry if it did.
You never answered my question, What 1/4 my time did you put down with the TFs etc... on your car.
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My LS2 made 500RWHP with the STOCK EXHAUST and CATS!!!
Callaway Intake
Ported 92mm FAST
Trick Flow 225s Milled .030
ADR3 Cam (Very Similar to the G5X3)
LG PROS
Underdrive
It would have been somewhere in the 510-512rwhp with exhaust and no cats. My LS2 was pretty strong from the factory too.
Trick Flow 225s milled and some Harland Sharpe Rockers are the way to go. Did you mention what headers and intake you have?
Callaway Intake
Ported 92mm FAST
Trick Flow 225s Milled .030
ADR3 Cam (Very Similar to the G5X3)
LG PROS
Underdrive
It would have been somewhere in the 510-512rwhp with exhaust and no cats. My LS2 was pretty strong from the factory too.
Trick Flow 225s milled and some Harland Sharpe Rockers are the way to go. Did you mention what headers and intake you have?
There some great numbers!!
its in my sigI have Kooks 1 3/4 jet coated headers
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I am not going to allow this to get into a Tuner Slug match so I am starting this off with every tuner has a different way of doing things. I am sure what Cartek does (and I do not know what they do) works and I am sure they can back it up with supporting data. If any of the northeast tuners didnt build reliable cars we quickly would be out of business with all of the competition here.
I can comment on the ECS setup since I run that in my personal car. I run 20 RR days per year plus some 1/4 mile and some street miles (as a note my last engine lasted 4 years of over 50 1/4 mile passes and 40 RR days before the DOUBLE ROLLER CHAIN BROKE). We also have RR customers doing about the same amount of RR track days as me. I think RR days are some of the hardest days on engine life since you are consistently between 4000-7000 rpms for 25-45 mins at a clip - 4x per day. All of the data we collect from my car and Doug@ECS car plus feedback from customers has proven that our setup works and continues to work. Remember all of ECS stuff is being tortured tested by ECS (and a few chosen customers) prior to ECS stating that is the setup they are going to recommend.
Now I deal mostly with the RR customers, but we have many more 1/4 mile customers (and yet again Doug@ECS, Chris@ECS, Marc@ECS and myself@ECS
running 1/4 mile with our own cars) that are also providing feedback in that venue. Again these cars are being pushed beyond what a normal street driver would ever see thus you know that what you are getting from ECS works time and time again.
I can comment on the ECS setup since I run that in my personal car. I run 20 RR days per year plus some 1/4 mile and some street miles (as a note my last engine lasted 4 years of over 50 1/4 mile passes and 40 RR days before the DOUBLE ROLLER CHAIN BROKE). We also have RR customers doing about the same amount of RR track days as me. I think RR days are some of the hardest days on engine life since you are consistently between 4000-7000 rpms for 25-45 mins at a clip - 4x per day. All of the data we collect from my car and Doug@ECS car plus feedback from customers has proven that our setup works and continues to work. Remember all of ECS stuff is being tortured tested by ECS (and a few chosen customers) prior to ECS stating that is the setup they are going to recommend.
Now I deal mostly with the RR customers, but we have many more 1/4 mile customers (and yet again Doug@ECS, Chris@ECS, Marc@ECS and myself@ECS
running 1/4 mile with our own cars) that are also providing feedback in that venue. Again these cars are being pushed beyond what a normal street driver would ever see thus you know that what you are getting from ECS works time and time again.Sorry
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I am sure my RR coilovers dont help nor does my lack of ability to shift fast
That being said they do help on RR track. I ran times at VIR in the 2:08 region which I believe is faster than NASCAR testing times. I also hit 170mph on the back straight and had no issues hanging with the new ZR1....
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My car is not a 1/4 mile car it is a RR car. I am not even going to speculate what it can do in the 1/4. I can tell you that I ran the 11.50 index at the Corvette Challenge this Saturday and I ran 11.53 at 128.75 mph. that is with a 1.99 60ft, shifting at 6400 (rev limiter is 7000) and DA around 3000.
I am sure my RR coilovers dont help nor does my lack of ability to shift fast
That being said they do help on RR track. I ran times at VIR in the 2:08 region which I believe is faster than NASCAR testing times. I also hit 170mph on the back straight and had no issues hanging with the new ZR1....
I am sure my RR coilovers dont help nor does my lack of ability to shift fast
That being said they do help on RR track. I ran times at VIR in the 2:08 region which I believe is faster than NASCAR testing times. I also hit 170mph on the back straight and had no issues hanging with the new ZR1....
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My car is not a 1/4 mile car it is a RR car. I am not even going to speculate what it can do in the 1/4. I can tell you that I ran the 11.50 index at the Corvette Challenge this Saturday and I ran 11.53 at 128.75 mph. that is with a 1.99 60ft, shifting at 6400 (rev limiter is 7000) and DA around 3000.
I am sure my RR coilovers dont help nor does my lack of ability to shift fast
That being said they do help on RR track. I ran times at VIR in the 2:08 region which I believe is faster than NASCAR testing times. I also hit 170mph on the back straight and had no issues hanging with the new ZR1....
I am sure my RR coilovers dont help nor does my lack of ability to shift fast
That being said they do help on RR track. I ran times at VIR in the 2:08 region which I believe is faster than NASCAR testing times. I also hit 170mph on the back straight and had no issues hanging with the new ZR1....
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Keep in mind a bigger cam is not going to have the street manners you seek. Go in a car with the cam you will be getting to decide or just trust your current tuner. Using a big cam is better suited to trick flows but that is not what you asked about in this thread when you specified great street manners. You keep changing your mind so maybe the driveability thing is out now. Trick flow 225's and a 236 cam is a great combo.
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ive been thinking about swapping my gears to get some better response (still have traction with the monsters in the rear) and thought it wouldn't be a problem since wheel spin isn't from gears, its from power.. now in this particular instance you witnessed gears cause spin?
now I don't know what to do..
I sense the sarchasm. Since he couldnt spin them then, the power level, IE the package, wasnt making power as other combo's. Once geared he was overpowered with runflats but not a race tire. Gears are chosen to get the rpm's up for more power at a given mph. Thats not in debate I hope.
You gear for trap speed (3.90's in your case and you wil have lower ET's with that gear and less power if you have wheel spin) and stop adding power when the chosen tire cant get it to the ground. Try to get the quote right. There are cars running your current et's with 500rwhp with gears.
Here is the question while you laugh:
If you gear for low end response and better 60's and you have wheelspin, would you give up the low end responsiveness (gears) and better 60' or reduce power? Changing the tire isnt the option given here.
Question 2:
If he was able to spin tires in 3 gears and added gears, would the car hook faster with the steeper gears or the stock gears?
Now I am sure your car is way better powered than mine even with a 100 shot. I'm around 600 to the wheels with current jets. Wanna come by and we will repeat the C6DVL test but with my car and nice weather? 0-130? Thats about the 1/4 but on your current tires. Since power without gears is so much better maybe we can put the debate to bed. I should be spinning up the road in 3 gears with 4.10's on a Z51 since I dont know what I'm talking about. Now remember that this is from a dig and not a roll on. 0-130. You trapped 133 on a prepped track so you should be there in about 10 seconds.
Seriously though, I'm kidding around and just want to meet up before I move out of state. Undertaker and DVL invited too. By the way I met Undertaker's female friend with the 2008 and hear she is getting a paxton. She will undoubtedly be unreal fast. Kinda cool: a chick with a car most guys wish for.
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On runflats?
I sense the sarchasm. Since he couldnt spin them then, the power level, IE the package, wasnt making power as other combo's. Once geared he was overpowered with runflats but not a race tire. Gears are chosen to get the rpm's up for more power at a given mph. Thats not in debate I hope.
You gear for redline and stop adding power when the chosen tire cant get it to the ground. Try to get the quote right.
Here is the question while you laugh:
If you gear for low end response and better 60's and you have wheelspin, would you give up the low end responsiveness (gears) and better 60' or reduce power? Changing the tire isnt the option given here.
Question 2:
If he was able to spin tires in 3 gears and added gears, would the car hok faster with the steeper gears or the stock gears?
Now I am sure your car is way better powered than mine even with a 100 shot. I'm around 600 to the wheels with current jets. Wanna come by and we will repeat the C6DVL test but with my car and nice weather? 0-130? Thats about the 1/4 but on your current tires. Since power without gears is so much better maybe we can put the debate to bed. I should be spinning up the road in 3 gears with 4.10's on a Z51 since I dont know what I'm talking about. Now remember that this is from a dig and not a roll on. 0-130. You trapped 133 on a prepped track so you should be there in about 10 seconds.
Seriously though, I'm kidding around and just want to meet up before I move out of state. Undertaker and DVL invited too. By the way I met Undertaker's female friend with the 2008 and hear she is getting a paxton. She will undoubtedly be unreal fast. Kinda cool: a chick with a car most guys wish for.
I sense the sarchasm. Since he couldnt spin them then, the power level, IE the package, wasnt making power as other combo's. Once geared he was overpowered with runflats but not a race tire. Gears are chosen to get the rpm's up for more power at a given mph. Thats not in debate I hope.
You gear for redline and stop adding power when the chosen tire cant get it to the ground. Try to get the quote right.
Here is the question while you laugh:
If you gear for low end response and better 60's and you have wheelspin, would you give up the low end responsiveness (gears) and better 60' or reduce power? Changing the tire isnt the option given here.
Question 2:
If he was able to spin tires in 3 gears and added gears, would the car hok faster with the steeper gears or the stock gears?
Now I am sure your car is way better powered than mine even with a 100 shot. I'm around 600 to the wheels with current jets. Wanna come by and we will repeat the C6DVL test but with my car and nice weather? 0-130? Thats about the 1/4 but on your current tires. Since power without gears is so much better maybe we can put the debate to bed. I should be spinning up the road in 3 gears with 4.10's on a Z51 since I dont know what I'm talking about. Now remember that this is from a dig and not a roll on. 0-130. You trapped 133 on a prepped track so you should be there in about 10 seconds.
Seriously though, I'm kidding around and just want to meet up before I move out of state. Undertaker and DVL invited too. By the way I met Undertaker's female friend with the 2008 and hear she is getting a paxton. She will undoubtedly be unreal fast. Kinda cool: a chick with a car most guys wish for.
you guys really just need to start trapping in teh 140's to end this debate for yourselves. It worked for me
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Can you hang out this weekend?
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My LS2 made 500RWHP with the STOCK EXHAUST and CATS!!!
Callaway Intake
Ported 92mm FAST
Trick Flow 225s Milled .030
ADR3 Cam (Very Similar to the G5X3)
LG PROS
Underdrive
It would have been somewhere in the 510-512rwhp with exhaust and no cats. My LS2 was pretty strong from the factory too.
Trick Flow 225s milled and some Harland Sharpe Rockers are the way to go. Did you mention what headers and intake you have?
Callaway Intake
Ported 92mm FAST
Trick Flow 225s Milled .030
ADR3 Cam (Very Similar to the G5X3)
LG PROS
Underdrive
It would have been somewhere in the 510-512rwhp with exhaust and no cats. My LS2 was pretty strong from the factory too.
Trick Flow 225s milled and some Harland Sharpe Rockers are the way to go. Did you mention what headers and intake you have?
Who grnds the ADR3 cam? What kind of lobes?
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I sense the sarchasm.
Seriously though, I'm kidding around and just want to meet up before I move out of state. Undertaker and DVL invited too. By the way I met Undertaker's female friend with the 2008 and hear she is getting a paxton. She will undoubtedly be unreal fast. Kinda cool: a chick with a car most guys wish for.
Seriously though, I'm kidding around and just want to meet up before I move out of state. Undertaker and DVL invited too. By the way I met Undertaker's female friend with the 2008 and hear she is getting a paxton. She will undoubtedly be unreal fast. Kinda cool: a chick with a car most guys wish for.
im not much of a serious guy outside of work.. I don't know about the other guys but this weekend isn't good for me.. Next saturday Ill be on the island installing some coilovers so maybe later in the day..