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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 12:48 AM
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A little history first i hit a deer and went offroading with my car and it cracked both front fender both rocker panels and damaged the rear bumper and deck lid.I was very upset but decided to turn bad to good by going wide body up front. I allready had a z06 front bumper and the rear quaters. My insurance recomended a local shop since i just moved here i went with their choice even though its a dodge paint and body shop. They did an outstanding job with the body work the fender look perfect. But when i took a closer look at the car the paint did not match. I did not understand because 6 months ago i put the rear z06 fenders on and they mached perfect they were also painted by a GM dealer. I asked the painter why what they painted did not mach and his response along with the manager was that GM does not put enough paint on these cars and the spots that were factory painted were transparent so thats why it did not match .I asked them if they were serious and they got upset! I said their is no way i am excepting this car in this condition. My car is 2005 with les than 20K on it and has spent 99% of its life in a garage. my insurance is going to inspect it tomorrow but i am worried they will side with the bodyshop. What should i do any help would be great
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 12:49 AM
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Also the car is Black if that helps any
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 01:10 AM
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I call BS on the dodge side. Or mabe the new paint looks newer compared to old paint
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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I call BS on the dodge side. Or mabe the new paint looks newer compared to old paint
I agree with you on the dodge thing who has ever heard of transparent paint!!!!!!!!! but not shure i agree with the the paint looking newer because like i said i recently had ZO6 fenders painted by GM that mached perfect. My car lives in a garage and gets waxed very often it looked brand new before this
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 05:52 AM
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Sounds like their trying to "dodge" the real problem!
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It shouldn't matter how "transparent" the existing paint is. Their job was to match the paint. Not paint it the way GM should have done it (in their opinion).
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 08:30 AM
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It shouldn't matter how "transparent" the existing paint is. Their job was to match the paint. Not paint it the way GM should have done it (in their opinion).
Good point!
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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Black is the easiest color to match, so if the shop is having trouble with that color The transparency excuse is total BS. Any pics?
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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They need to fix it. go over the adjusters head if you need to.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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Black is the easiest color to match, so if the shop is having trouble with that color The transparency excuse is total BS. Any pics?
Actually, black is very difficult to match. Many people think black is black, but the color has to be mixed, and on the Corvette their are about 8 different colors that blend to make the black. Here is an example of what goes into Competition Grey...notice the numbers in the end column, that's how exact the weights of each color are. If the tech prepping the mix isn't careful, an extra few grams can mess up the final mixture's tint.




Each color has to be added by weight and then mixed, and an ounce too much or little can skew the color. Sometimes even putting Dupont mixes next to PPG mixes will look slightly different depending on the lighting, even though the tech's computer mix was on target. When my shop mixes any color, the mix is tested on different spots around the car and under different types of lighting and tweaked until perfect. Often you must blend and feather the surrounding areas for the eye not to perceive any slight tonality differences.

In any event, they really need to make it right. Have them examine it under direct sunlight, shade and fluorescent light. If there is any color shift, one of those conditions will enhance it. If you need a good painter in Texas, give Gerardo from DSVettes a call. Whoever does all his work is amazing.
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That's true, what craigster wrote about DSVette's painter. Also, you've got Corvette clubs in your area such as Cowtown Vettes in Ft. Worth. Call up the prez and ask them who the members use for outstanding paint jobs. Or check out NCRS, find the local club and ask them.

Don't take it sitting down or it'll look like awful in the sunlight.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slvr76
Black is the easiest color to match, so if the shop is having trouble with that color The transparency excuse is total BS. Any pics?
Actually black is one of the hardest colors to match. Because what you think is black is not black, it is a mixture of many different colors in a very subtle way. Having said that it is of course possible to match any color.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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Why trust dodge with a chevy any way. Dodge is crap IMO. I would raise hell =] thats your baby. You put to much time into keeping the car looking new to have them not fix it right.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 03:55 PM
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I went to the shop today with an adjuster he seen what i was talking about and told me he thought the best thing to do is just paint the whole car. So he wrote the body shop a check to do the whole car. I wanted to take it to a GM shop but he said if i did and the parts that GM painted didnt mach the parts from Dodge then i would just be stuck with it because they paid for the whole car to be painted. So i said fine let them do it but once again if i am not satisfied with the work i will reject it again
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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For what its worth my car's body panels don't match 100% perfectly, and this is from the factory: under the right light you can tell that the hood is lighter than the fenders and the bumpers, and both rear fenders are slightly lighter too...
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All the Corvette body panels are painted before the car is assembled, so I can see that it is possible to get a car from the factory where the panels do not match perfectly.
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One reason these cars have paint match issues is because the body parts are made from different materials. The fenders are made from a hard fiberglass while the front and rear bumpers are made of a material a kin to rubber. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

The paint on y hood has always appeared to be a bit on the thin side. Under certain lighting conditions it becomes very obvious.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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I was considering an aftermarket hood on my Velocity Yellow C6, but all the body shops said it needs to be blended with the bumper and fenders for an excellent match. I've seen aftermarket hoods, rear spoliers and wide body kits that are not even a close paint match.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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Post 10 probably explains what happened. I had this same thing happen to my black GMC truck. They tried to tell me black is black VW, Chev, Toyata, GMC black is all the same. It took me a year fighting with Allstate and dealer to get it right. Finally they agreed to let me take to someone of my choosing.

The guy nailed it first time perfect! But I had a bunch of layers from the previous idiots!

So I would recommend you demand the paint match or you tell them you want to bring it somewhere else at their expense.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddy A
It shouldn't matter how "transparent" the existing paint is. Their job was to match the paint. Not paint it the way GM should have done it (in their opinion).
Thats it in a nutshell. Any good shop matches to the rest of the car, blends it, etc. They are wrong.
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