Not going to compare an auto to stick that was done in another thread remember Gary is an amazing driver, yet didn't cut anywhere near the 60' as you did...it even have an EWP on it?

 

I agree and your car had a lot more potential in it, just look at our dyno graphs overlayed...this was when I went 10.9 and was 100lbs heavier than your raceweight, 100avg rwhp and rwtq should be worth more than .4/5mph was all I was saying

 

Dennis, I must apologize... I haven't been in the 5th grade for quite some time so you need to pardon my inability follow at your level.

I figured your here soley for an EGO bump...

Your car is the FASTEST car I have ever seen. There is no way ANYONE will EVER match or beat your times... you sir are an LS2 GOD!



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one of the FASTEST ls2 guys wants to go faster... puts an ls3 in it

makes sense to me

 

I guess you have even a lower reading level because I am not the fastest. Remember when I posted that when you educated people start losing you pull that card. If I bet on that I would be rich. So how does it feel getting beat by a 5th grader.

 

LMAO... Ohh Ok... so when people disagree with you, and you fail to prove or "Force" your point onto them, they are the ones who "pull a card"? Perhaps your the one pulling the card Dennis...

Since you are the one who has jumped out at everyone who has disagreed with your OPINION based on a small sample of track times from this forum. Do you not think there are more out there? Perhaps not everyone is a member of the forum? You have not educated nor proved your conclusion to anyone... And i know just by reading all of your post that this makes you upset, so your on the attack.

Don't worry dude... one day your LS2 will grow up to be an LS3... And then you can be just that much faster

Till then, when it comes to modding they both share similar potential... with the LS3 having a slight size advantage. I dont think you could go wrong with either one, hell I know a few LS1's that would out run the top car on your list. So honestly, in the end it all boils down to the right parts, the right tune and the right driver... all you need is an LSx!

PS: that was a good jab at the "getting beat by a 5th Grader" ....


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I dont care what people think about me, I have thick skin. But you really need to get your facts straight, of course there could be someone out in the usa racing a c6 without internet or cell phone but they probably know someone that would post for them or at least tell them about it, The corvette forum is the biggest and LS1tech, so i dont know how you can state that you know a few LS1s that could out run the top cars on the list because that isnt true if they follow the rules that are in place for these lists, I wont copy and paste it but my LS2 C6 is the fastest bolt/on LSX car on the LS1TECH LIST other then the LS7 ZO6, all of them LS1 LS2 LS3 LS6 also on corvette forum DIGITAL CORVETTES and so on. Also here is the LS1 corvette forum list and C5 ZO6 list, Only THE KING GARY2004Z06 WITH A C6Z06 BOLT/ON
AND THE KING ROBZ WITH A C5Z06 H&C
AND THE KING STANGER383 WITH A C6 H&C,
only these 3 so you are full of it, stating ******** and no facts to back it up, i am stating facts backed up by proof. just where are you on any list. except king of the BS list, can you even place in the top 10 grandsport list? theirs only 5 on it but i do agree the LSX rocks


C5 External Engine Modifications (Bolt-Ons) 1) 10.757 @ 124.56 - 98tadriver Details/Slip/Video

Internal Engine Modifications - Head/cam

-> 346
1) 10.224 @ 130.77 - Hot Wheels Details/Slip/Video Thread

AND THE C5 Z06 H&C LIST
C5 Z06 External/Internal Bolt On times (stock cubes, n/a, cams, h/c, all bolt ons)

1---9.985 @ 138.80--1.428 --robz ---------'03 04/08 -----H/C, ET ST, Gears, Post 328, Slip
2--10.672 @ 126.17--1.449--J Rod---------'02 xx/xx -----H/C G5X3,

 

That's a good point and would've been more valid over 10 years ago, but not now.
Nearly EVERYONE is online at some point now. And if by chance there is still one person who isn't, AND they also happen to be quicker/faster than someone else who appears on these HUGE car message board/internet forum 1/4 mile lists then, as Dennis mentioned above, someone else be it that person's brother or his friend or his brother's friend etc etc who was there when he beat the best known ETs would be the one online to report the time slip/video. Big news travels VERY fast now.
The internet/digital/smart phone age makes it VERY difficult to remain anonymous anymore when one's car is THAT fast, especially for the particular level of mods done to it or category (stock, bolt ons, forced induction etc.) it might fit into.
I trust that these internet lists (especially here on Corvette Forum and over on LS1 Tech) display at least 'a decent' and accurate cross section/random sampling of what these cars are truly capable of.

As for the LS2 versus LS3 debate, honestly, I expected more out of the modified LS3s. Stock versus stock there is no doubt that the LS3s have at least a full 2/10th and 2mph advantage.
But once the bolt ons and internal mods enter into it that gap appears to narrow quickly for some reason.
I love BOTH engines and one cannot go wrong with either choice.

 

I could not agree more!

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The lists definitely display a decent cross-section, and to say nearly everyone is on the internet is also true, but definitely not forums.

I can't tell you how many 10 second vettes I've talked to at the track who had never heard of Corvette Forum and could care less about posting on forums. The only guys I've ever talked to at a track who HAD heard of the forums were mostly stock or worked at shops in the Houston area.

Hell, my dad ran one of the quickest bone-stock 997 Turbo times (6-speed) and no one will ever know about it but he and I because he doesn't post on forums and rarely is on the internet and I don't post on any forums that would care about it.

These forum lists are all we have to go by though....a record is only a record if there is a database to store them, but there are guys out there turning out very impressive times that will never post about it and will have never heard about it (the forums).

 

Shawn, I have seen many 10 9 8 and even 7 second corvettes and even faster, area friend Larry Wood but I havnt seen any Beat stangers383 time in his category. and we all know cars run faster at atco

 

IF I still had my vert my goal for MIR would be a 9.98 with the addition of ewp and UP...maybe a tad quicker even, but I tend to be realistic in my expectations. we will never know now but I stand by my prediction for the Z of 9.78 until I actual bolt the parts to the car and take it for a spin... I predicted 10.81 yesterday and got 10.75......I'm usually not far off

 

According to most non believers that your time isnt the fastest and the possibility of others faster around the country, and I'm sure they are hopeful that its an LS3. But since it always comes down to the excuse atco is the fastest, So I will use that, I haven't seen any faster then yours Norm and you would think their would be dozens of them at such a fast track like atco But hey maybe it will settle them down and accept it since you have LS3 heads and intake

 

Lists are only as good as the ones who keep it...not that they beat your times, but there's a H/C C5Z that went 10.5 and I believe RobZ went 10.6 on a 1.7 with his bolt-on motor back in...all I'm saying is they are incomplete. There is a local red h/c C5Z that went 10.9 and is the only other that I'm aware, but he didn't care to post it. LSoholic claims to have cut a 1.4 60' and trapped 132 mph in his h/c C5Z, but for some reason hasn't posted. Braciole I thought ran a faster time than what is listed too. Regardless I agree that most who have run an amazing time in this day and age would post about it as they didn't just go out there and magically pull it off, it took time to work it down. On a side note, do you think Marc's A6 LS2 has potential to be faster than your A4 LS2?

 

Dennis has told me on a quite a few occasions that he thinks my car has the potential to beat his car's best of 10.62 (my best trap speed (127.53) already tops his best by more than a half a MPH ).
It would not happen as the car sits of course and it also wouldn't be easy, probably requiring a drastic converter swap and even some gears but I'm pretty sure I could squeeze a 10.5x (maybe even a 10.49? ) out of my stock internals/bolt on car with A LOT of effort.
But we may never know because I think I'm done with that for now, at least with this car maybe. Just enjoying it on the street now with only a few select index/bracket races throughout the season...taking the top off and going for a nice cruise sounds like much more fun to me lately LOL.

But if I ever get a C7, this 'bone stock list then onto the bolt ons list' stuff could start up all over again.

 

I have even encouraged Marc to do it, we worked as a team on my car and with what we have learned, with Marc's lighter car A6 trans and Carteks awesome tuning! He could easily beat the record most dont understand that we could have went even further, my car was tuned on the dyno thats it. the everyday driving safe and proper tune, no changes ever done at the track to get a better time except shift points

 

The reason Braciole didn't post was because he wasn't within the rules for H&C as being stroked

 

All I can say is I've been at the track, both E Town & Atco with Marc & Dennis and if anything is true, they are straight shooters and stand up guys. I've seen them run and for all the hoopla, they're telling the truth. I, like Dennis, have wondered why there aren't more really smoking LS3's.

 

Thanks Mike for joining the ranks of the hated