C6.4 or C7?
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C6.4 or C7?
When the new Corvette is announced and we can see and drive it what will determine if it is a C6.4 or a C7?
The opinions will continue on the forum. Lot's of threads here regarding the removable top, headlights, 8 speed AT and DCT, new engine, Government requirements, AWD, mid engines, etc. So what determins the difference between a C6.4 and a real new generation Corvette C7. What if GM surprises us with some real cutting edge technology? Would it be a C7.2?
The opinions will continue on the forum. Lot's of threads here regarding the removable top, headlights, 8 speed AT and DCT, new engine, Government requirements, AWD, mid engines, etc. So what determins the difference between a C6.4 and a real new generation Corvette C7. What if GM surprises us with some real cutting edge technology? Would it be a C7.2?
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Oh good grief.
Who the hell cares? It'll be a 2014. Is it OK with you if they call it that?
All this CX.5 crap started with the C5 guys who didn't want to admit that the C6 was a leap forward from their investment. So they whined that a car with a different body, chassis, engine, wheelbase, track, and interior couldn't be that much different than their baby.
Who the hell cares? It'll be a 2014. Is it OK with you if they call it that?
All this CX.5 crap started with the C5 guys who didn't want to admit that the C6 was a leap forward from their investment. So they whined that a car with a different body, chassis, engine, wheelbase, track, and interior couldn't be that much different than their baby.
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When the new Corvette is announced and we can see and drive it what will determine if it is a C6.4 or a C7?
The opinions will continue on the forum. Lot's of threads here regarding the removable top, headlights, 8 speed AT and DCT, new engine, Government requirements, AWD, mid engines, etc. So what determins the difference between a C6.4 and a real new generation Corvette C7. What if GM surprises us with some real cutting edge technology? Would it be a C7.2?
The opinions will continue on the forum. Lot's of threads here regarding the removable top, headlights, 8 speed AT and DCT, new engine, Government requirements, AWD, mid engines, etc. So what determins the difference between a C6.4 and a real new generation Corvette C7. What if GM surprises us with some real cutting edge technology? Would it be a C7.2?
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Glass Slipper And when do you think Corvette will come up with an 8 speed AT with paddle shifters. And Turbo charging. How about a retractable hard top? How about a DCT? A decent audio and NAV system. My BMW Z4 28i is not a high performance car. It is a nimble sports car with excellent gas milage and more than acceptable performance and comfort. It's not a dragster which is not what I want.
The reason for starting this new thread was to point out the large number of threads this morning with negative comments about features that folks don't like or that seem to be missing from the new C6.4 Corvette. You read them. Many threads about the new engine. Headlights. Transmissions. Removable tops. Government regulations effect on Corvette (Maybe a hybrid model is needed). Check out the threads today. I couldn't help but notice the general tone of the threads this morning.
The reason for starting this new thread was to point out the large number of threads this morning with negative comments about features that folks don't like or that seem to be missing from the new C6.4 Corvette. You read them. Many threads about the new engine. Headlights. Transmissions. Removable tops. Government regulations effect on Corvette (Maybe a hybrid model is needed). Check out the threads today. I couldn't help but notice the general tone of the threads this morning.
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with you on that. You may be a lot different then most of us in the automotive community Colorado. But we do not discriminate here on Cf. You should not have to hide your differences with others.
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Oh, and back to C7's -- I predict the C7 will be perceived by the majority of buyers AND the automotive press to be more "different" from the C6, than the C6 was perceived to be "different" from the C5. Obviously, in a few months not everyone will share that opinion, and right now will not agree with my prediction.
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Lol, where I live, the Z4 (and especially the small engined version) is the quintessential graduation vehicle for newly-promoted men who previously trolled for boy toys in Miatas and Sebring 'verts.
"I've arrived! Time for a waxing, pedi, and a new Z4!"
Just sayin.
"I've arrived! Time for a waxing, pedi, and a new Z4!"
Just sayin.
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I will consider the C7 a new car if it possesses:
Redesigned body
Redesigned/upgraded interior
Redesigned chassis/frame
Redesigned Engine
So far it is looking like the C7 has checked all these boxes. People can complain that the external body looks too similar to C6, but to me if the mechanicals underpinning the car are all redesigned, then it's a new car. Redesigned doesn't have to be radically different for the sake of being different either. It is still a new frame even though it retains front-mid engine, rear transmission, rwd, as I expect the actual geometry and materials will have changed.
Redesigned body
Redesigned/upgraded interior
Redesigned chassis/frame
Redesigned Engine
So far it is looking like the C7 has checked all these boxes. People can complain that the external body looks too similar to C6, but to me if the mechanicals underpinning the car are all redesigned, then it's a new car. Redesigned doesn't have to be radically different for the sake of being different either. It is still a new frame even though it retains front-mid engine, rear transmission, rwd, as I expect the actual geometry and materials will have changed.
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Holy cow! This guy posted a reasonable thread meant to encourage interesting discourse about what is expected/needed/will be provided in the new car. He neither mentioned his Z4 nor compared the new model to any other vehicle. It's one thing to jump someone for posting a thread to incite arguments, but quite another to add the inciteful comments yourself and then ridicule the other poster.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
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Holy cow! This guy posted a reasonable thread meant to encourage interesting discourse about what is expected/needed/will be provided in the new car. He neither mentioned his Z4 nor compared the new model to any other vehicle. It's one thing to jump someone for posting a thread to incite arguments, but quite another to add the inciteful comments yourself and then ridicule the other poster.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
Men were talking. Come again?
...as a recent returnee, perhaps you've not had the time to pick up on some of the recent trendings. Typically, when a thread finds such a discourse seemingly without provocation, there's an undercurrent that predates the posting. Sometimes you don't notice it till you hop in.
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Holy cow! This guy posted a reasonable thread meant to encourage interesting discourse about what is expected/needed/will be provided in the new car. He neither mentioned his Z4 nor compared the new model to any other vehicle. It's one thing to jump someone for posting a thread to incite arguments, but quite another to add the inciteful comments yourself and then ridicule the other poster.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
Everyone, keep your bashing to a minimum and we can get back to enjoying the site. This is the reason I had jumped ship so many years ago and have only recently returned.
Please do enlighten me as to what discussion of the C6.4 Corvette in the C7 section is reasonable? It stimulates speculation about the powertrain? The design? Performance? I don't believe Corvette Forum has a C6.4 section.
Since i highly doubt the OP intended to openly admit his ignorance of how one new generation of vehicles differ from the previous, I believe he's basically trolling.
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Sorry.
Men were talking. Come again?
...as a recent returnee, perhaps you've not had the time to pick up on some of the recent trendings. Typically, when a thread finds such a discourse seemingly without provocation, there's an undercurrent that predates the posting. Sometimes you don't notice it till you hop in.
Men were talking. Come again?
...as a recent returnee, perhaps you've not had the time to pick up on some of the recent trendings. Typically, when a thread finds such a discourse seemingly without provocation, there's an undercurrent that predates the posting. Sometimes you don't notice it till you hop in.
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Sarcastically admitting to prejudice does not justify it. Intentionally harassing another member because you dislike their previous posts, opinions, or behavior provokes future hostility. If I have in some way misread this post or any of the other thoughtless bickering in this section, please enlighten me by logically (with references to specific threads or posts) educate me. As for the relevance of this thread, Bucky, in an open forum-type scenario, it would not be fruitless to ask the question : "How far has GM moved forward?" Other recent threads referenced the new Tesla, stop/start in European sports cars, and other uses of VVT, cylinder deactivation, and the like. It is perfectly reasonable to compare a vehicle to its predecessors as well as its competitors. The C6 has been (in some ways rightly so) called the C5.5 because of the similarities with the C5. In that case, there was so much carry-over in suspension geometry and driveline design that one couldn't help but make the comparison. Both cars are excellent and I consider the C6 a step forward. It was not the same step forward we saw with the C4/5 transition.
Your naiveté of Colorado C6's previous actions not withstanding, this thread serves no purpose other than to try to inflame others. Even the title is meant to be insulting and inflammatory. Had he posted the thread "How far has GM moved forward?" he may have gotten a better response. Had you done it, you most certainly would have gotten a better response.
Please look at his history.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/sear...rchid=32331784
Tell us if you think his posts trend towards building, or enhancing a Corvette Community. Most do not believe its purpose is to denigrate the car at every possible opportunity.